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William Seger

(10,778 posts)
29. "no explosives were active during the collapses"
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 03:41 PM
Nov 2015

You seem like a reasonable person, so let's take it one issue at a time, please.

The truck bomb that was used in the 1993 WTC bombing was a complex bomb made with several types of high- and low-explosives and even included three tanks of hydrogen gas to increase the thermobaric effect. The intent was to cause the north tower to fall into the south tower. When it went off, it was not only heard but felt all over lower Manhattan and even on Ellis Island. It made a huge hole, taking out floors and walls on several levels, but it didn't destroy any columns.

At the level that the north tower collapse began, the total cross-sectional area of the columns was over 6000 square inches of structural-grade steel, and to trigger a collapse you'd need to take out at least something over half of the columns, maybe two-thirds. A conventional demolition would of course use high-explosive cutter charges which have a distinctive sound that can be heard on virtually every YouTube demolition video. And they are not like the explosions reported in wildbill's video: they're not small explosions that you would need to be inside the building to hear, and they certainly do not happen randomly all over the building minutes or even hours before the collapse begins. Cutting through over 3000 square inches of steel would require a serious amount of explosives, and it that's what had happened, almost everyone in Manhattan would have immediately known it, and we would too from the videos. Furthermore, no explosively cut steel was found in the rubble, even though the clean-up crew were experienced in CD, and dozens of experts, both government and independent, looked through the rubble for "interesting" pieces to save. So, there is simply no evidence of explosives, even magical silent ones.

But this is not like the famous aphorism, "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence." That is a statement about trying to infer without having any information. However, if there are things that really should be observed if the hypothesis were correct but they are not observed, that is positive evidence of absence and the hypothesis is disproved. Ergo, explosives did not bring down any of the buildings.

If you agree with that, then we can discuss the "thermite hypothsis," which Jones invented solely to cover the truck-bomb-sized hole in the "explosives hypothesis."


Zero! William Seger Mar 2015 #1
you wished! wildbilln864 Mar 2015 #3
growing library of peer-reviewed technical papers Jeroen Nov 2015 #26
Sure William Seger Nov 2015 #27
Thanks Jeroen Nov 2015 #28
"no explosives were active during the collapses" William Seger Nov 2015 #29
Classic, controlled demolition Jeroen Nov 2015 #30
I don't have any problem with people who "question the official narrative" William Seger Nov 2015 #31
Numbers are fun! zappaman Mar 2015 #2
? OBenario Oct 2015 #6
now 2354. and climbing. n/t wildbilln864 May 2015 #4
Holy crap! zappaman May 2015 #5
Do you imagine there'ssome significance to the percentage? wildbilln864 Oct 2015 #7
I'm so glad you asked, here's some homework so you might answer your own questions honestly. greyl Oct 2015 #8
wasn't asking you but perhaps you could answer in your own words? wildbilln864 Oct 2015 #9
Wrong, false, and untrue. You did ask, "What do you account for the percentage...yada yada" greyl Oct 2015 #11
2366? Up 12 in the last 6 months? William Seger Oct 2015 #10
up yes. wildbilln864 Oct 2015 #12
You ignore attrition. Many former "truthers" have discovered they were lied to William Seger Oct 2015 #13
your post has so many false assertions William. But you know that. n/t wildbilln864 Oct 2015 #14
No, I don't know that, and apparently neither do you William Seger Oct 2015 #18
you assert that no one could have... wildbilln864 Oct 2015 #19
24/7!? No... wildbilln864 Oct 2015 #15
yep! wildbilln864 Oct 2015 #16
Oh, the magical delayed remote action bombs? William Seger Oct 2015 #17
yeah there you go making up shit again. wildbilln864 Oct 2015 #22
Give it up wildbilln864, GGJohn Oct 2015 #20
yea well I'll be here to remind them... wildbilln864 Oct 2015 #21
Here? On a chat board? GGJohn Oct 2015 #23
doesn't seem to slow you down any. wildbilln864 Oct 2015 #24
Spread the word where ever you go? GGJohn Oct 2015 #25
+1000 nt Logical Nov 2015 #32
C'mon now... zappaman Nov 2015 #33
2,374 n/t wildbilln864 Nov 2015 #34
2409! wildbilln864 Dec 2015 #35
Weird argument whitefordmd Dec 2015 #36
not an argument wildbilln864 Dec 2015 #37
So your posting a fact, but not trying to make a point? Very sensible. eom whitefordmd Dec 2015 #38
I actually take some small comfort William Seger Dec 2015 #39
I used to work with a Structural Engineer that was neck deep into all sorts of woo. whitefordmd Dec 2015 #40
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