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Trajan

(19,089 posts)
2. I am no expert on this matter
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 01:21 PM
Apr 2013

and the reality is : there is an underlying cause that is driving you to adopt this behavior ... You need to discover what it is inside you that makes you want to escape from that cause..

That being said: I had a problem, not with drink, but with something worse ... and since I am atheist, I found it hard to reconcile joining AA with my own beliefs about deities and higher powers ...

I stumbled upon Rational Recovery,.which is a different approach than AA ... the intervention occurs between you rational self ( the one who wrote this post) and the addicted beast part of you, who turns the car towards the store on the way home, and who grabs the bottles from the shelf ... who pulls out the cash to pay ...

There is a point in that process where you decide to act out the urges of your beast brain ( the part of the brain that is shared with all other mammals. and controls hunger and sex drive, for instance)

The beast brain does not control your muscles, and so it cannot do anything on its own ... but it's hungry for the drugs ... it provides comforting ideal images of you enjoying your drug of choice ... images you think of on the drive and that convince you to turn your car .. enter the store ... grab the bottles . ... etc ...

The idea behind RR is to recognize those images as a voice from your addicted, hungry beast brain , and to then intervene with your rational self .... and to literally tell that beast to shut the f@ck up ...

Your hungry little beast brain wants its drugs, but it cannot get them if your rational self doesn't agree and doesn't go through with the actions to acquire those drugs ....

We laughed about this in RR, but it does boil down to this:

You have to recognize when that voice is talking to you, and you tell it 'no' NO NO NO ....

Sounds so simplistic, I know but it works for me ... no meetings ... no shaming ... no disease ... just an active intervention that occurs within my own mind that denies my addicted animal brain the ability to use by stopping it as soon as I think of it ... I tell that little bastard inside 'no ... I won't go through the motions to satiate my beast brains desire to satisfy its drug cravings ... it's needs my rational self to act on its behalf, and I will not do that anymore ...

I tell it NO, and the thought slithers away ... I rarely have those thoughts anymore ....

That's my take on it

I need to talk. [View all] clam happy Apr 2013 OP
Thank god I don't want to smoke. seabeyond Apr 2013 #1
I wish you success in quitting. My wife quit clam happy Apr 2013 #15
I am no expert on this matter Trajan Apr 2013 #2
With me, I had to get to that point where I was just sick and tired of being sick and tired of demosincebirth Apr 2013 #34
Interesting tavalon Jun 2013 #38
For whatever it's worth, I've been sober 25 years LiberalEsto Apr 2013 #3
I'm glad you're here. elleng Apr 2013 #4
excellent resource NMDemDist2 Apr 2013 #22
ABSOLUTELY NMDem. elleng Apr 2013 #23
i actually started a thread about this book not long ago.... NMDemDist2 Apr 2013 #25
GREAT! Sorry I missed it! elleng Apr 2013 #26
been there done that... oldhippydude Apr 2013 #5
Congratulations! You are moving out of the denial stage of alcoholism. dixiegrrrrl Apr 2013 #6
SO GLAD you're here for him, dixiegrrrrl! elleng Apr 2013 #7
I am strong supporter of Codependency treatment dixiegrrrrl Apr 2013 #9
Ditto, helped me too, elleng Apr 2013 #10
What would be hard? clam happy Apr 2013 #8
Look what you just said: dixiegrrrrl Apr 2013 #11
i have to agree with Dixie NMDemDist2 Apr 2013 #20
Hello. Ilsa Apr 2013 #12
Post removed Post removed Apr 2013 #13
I've lurked for a long time clam happy Apr 2013 #14
I was in a 12 step program. . In_The_Wind Apr 2013 #16
Warning: I may seem unsympathetic with my comment. Wait Wut Apr 2013 #17
I'm so sorry for your loss. In_The_Wind Apr 2013 #18
Thank you. Wait Wut Apr 2013 #19
... NMDemDist2 Apr 2013 #21
You don't seem unsympathetic clam happy Apr 2013 #27
I'm so glad to hear that! Wait Wut Apr 2013 #29
Well, we're not so far apart as you might imagine. clam happy Apr 2013 #30
Take the step Old Codger Apr 2013 #24
Thank you to everyone. I am sober tonight. clam happy Apr 2013 #28
One sober day at a time. In_The_Wind Apr 2013 #31
First you have to decide if you want to quit. JayhawkSD Apr 2013 #32
Yes, I do. clam happy Apr 2013 #33
Excellent! tavalon Jun 2013 #39
It ain't that hard. Don't worry about the program. Don't worry about the steps. Iggo Apr 2013 #35
What's your blood alcohol content (BAC) when driving after 3-4 mini bottles? progree Apr 2013 #36
We're on the same road... Taverner Jun 2013 #37
Yay, I am so glad to hear it tavalon Jun 2013 #40
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #41
AA is for drinkers who at some point have lost the power of choice regarding how much they drink Fire Walk With Me Jul 2013 #42
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