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sweetapogee

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21. ok
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:56 AM
May 2016

Last edited Wed May 18, 2016, 11:51 AM - Edit history (2)

As I'm sure you are well aware, both ethyl (ethanol) and ketones are functional groups. For your convenience, here are the (generalized) functional groups:

Ethyl CH^3CH^2OH
ketones CH^3CH^3O

If you take the time to draw a Lewis diagram of both you will quickly discover that there is a double bond between one of the carbons and the oxygen in the ketone group (C=O), to make the octet without the H atom (because it isn' there. If it were it wouldn't be a ketone).

Hopefully you know that the breatholizer performs a redox reaction to produce acetic acid HC^2HO^2(g) (or better yet CH^3COOH). The instrument (breatholizer) measures the acetic acid.

The big problem with your theory is where does the extra H come from to produce the acetic acid? Keeping in mind that to produce an acid (any acid) one of the reactants need to donate an H ion and this is very unlikely to happen because there isn't one to donate. So, while a high blood sugar produces ketones which may contain acetone (2CO) there isn't any H atoms available to donate and thus make acetic acid. If you could explain how acetone becomes an acid by donating a hydrogen atom it doesn't have then you might have a point. (Hint: the pKa of acetone is 19.2). But alas facts are stubborn and not your friend here.

My opinion is that your looking at this as an individual who is trying to discredit the chemical reaction used by the instrument to measure BAC.


ON EDIT: I forgot to add that if you look at the Lewis structure for the ethyl group then you can clearly see the H ion (attached to the oxygen atom) that is donated to produce the acetic acid that is measured by the breatholizer. Why you insist on trying to make a case for a chemical reaction that even a high school chemistry student can understand is impossible, is a mystery to me.

BTW so as not to confuse you I use the symbol ^ to denote a subscript and = to indicate a double bond (but you should know this).

Does anybody know [View all] notawinger Apr 2016 OP
Mouthwash? Trajan Apr 2016 #1
Hand sanitizer notawinger Apr 2016 #2
Try germ-X alcohol-free, foaming, hand-sanitizer DianaForRussFeingold May 2016 #27
What if you have acetone in your breath? Jemmons Apr 2016 #3
Some people seem to think so. Jemmons Apr 2016 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author sweetapogee May 2016 #10
I think sweetapogee May 2016 #11
Hypoglycemia / low blood sugar can lead to a production of the alternative energy substrate Jemmons May 2016 #12
so basically what you are saying sweetapogee May 2016 #13
You might misunderstand the hypo part... Jemmons May 2016 #14
OK then sweetapogee May 2016 #15
No. It is still just the low blod sugars that trigger ketones and acetone that will fool the Jemmons May 2016 #16
low blood sugars sweetapogee May 2016 #17
You are talking about keto-acidosis which is not just unhealthy but downright dangerous Jemmons May 2016 #18
please sweetapogee May 2016 #19
I dont know if this is confusing for you or if you for some odd reason want to suggest that I am Jemmons May 2016 #20
ok sweetapogee May 2016 #21
You are reading a lot into my post that there isnt any basis for Jemmons May 2016 #22
you are trying sweetapogee May 2016 #23
I just like the subject... Jemmons May 2016 #24
i left out sweetapogee May 2016 #25
Well - if you say so eom Jemmons May 2016 #26
Yes, mouthwash will do that, for several minutes progree Apr 2016 #4
Eating a couple or six rum balls could do it, depending on the recipe. Why do you ask? nt Electric Monk Apr 2016 #5
Rehab notawinger Apr 2016 #6
Ok, then I'd say he was probably drinking and making excuses. That sounds far fetched. nt Electric Monk Apr 2016 #7
You can have false positives cally May 2016 #9
Thank you notawinger Jun 2016 #28
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