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sweetapogee

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Thu May 19, 2016, 12:37 PM
May 2016

the central carbon atom in the definition of the ketone functional group. I'm surprised you didn't catch it. Had you taken my suggestion to draw the Lewis diagram you would have come back with the statement that everything works out fine, that I haven't proven anything. But alas, you didn't do this because you have zip in the way of knowledge of how BAC is calculated in the field or the chemistry behind it.

Might I suggest a college level general biology and general chemistry class or two? Never too old to learn unless you are anti-science.

Jemmons said: "All im saying is that ketone production kicks in when you dont get enough carbohydrates in your diet. Which is common knowledge, not theory."

Not exactly.

Ketones are formed when there is insufficient insulin to break down the carbohydrates into useable glucose. When this happens, in order for the cells to function (and perform respiration: make ATP, the krebs cycle and so forth), the cell turns to fat for this energy. It is the fat that forms the ketones. A person can eat a 100% carbohydrate diet and still have ketones. Why? because if the individual doesn't have sufficient insulin then the carbs will not be converted into useable energy. Note that there are many reasons why an individual might not have insulin available to perform this function. This is a fact that you in spite of yourself seem to acknowledge. But don't get too puffed up by this admission, you claim to be interested in the workings of the machine used to detect BAC but have no understanding of how or why it works.

What you call obscure details are really basic biology and chemistry. I can't state that I walk around with visions of how BAC is performed in my head. But 30 seconds in a chemistry text and I knew it was a redox reaction. I don't work in the science or health care field, but like you I'm curious and I satisfy that curiosity with a learning experience. On public forums, I tend to stay away from pretending to know what I don't know, this is where we part company.

Take care of yourself.

Does anybody know [View all] notawinger Apr 2016 OP
Mouthwash? Trajan Apr 2016 #1
Hand sanitizer notawinger Apr 2016 #2
Try germ-X alcohol-free, foaming, hand-sanitizer DianaForRussFeingold May 2016 #27
What if you have acetone in your breath? Jemmons Apr 2016 #3
Some people seem to think so. Jemmons Apr 2016 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author sweetapogee May 2016 #10
I think sweetapogee May 2016 #11
Hypoglycemia / low blood sugar can lead to a production of the alternative energy substrate Jemmons May 2016 #12
so basically what you are saying sweetapogee May 2016 #13
You might misunderstand the hypo part... Jemmons May 2016 #14
OK then sweetapogee May 2016 #15
No. It is still just the low blod sugars that trigger ketones and acetone that will fool the Jemmons May 2016 #16
low blood sugars sweetapogee May 2016 #17
You are talking about keto-acidosis which is not just unhealthy but downright dangerous Jemmons May 2016 #18
please sweetapogee May 2016 #19
I dont know if this is confusing for you or if you for some odd reason want to suggest that I am Jemmons May 2016 #20
ok sweetapogee May 2016 #21
You are reading a lot into my post that there isnt any basis for Jemmons May 2016 #22
you are trying sweetapogee May 2016 #23
I just like the subject... Jemmons May 2016 #24
i left out sweetapogee May 2016 #25
Well - if you say so eom Jemmons May 2016 #26
Yes, mouthwash will do that, for several minutes progree Apr 2016 #4
Eating a couple or six rum balls could do it, depending on the recipe. Why do you ask? nt Electric Monk Apr 2016 #5
Rehab notawinger Apr 2016 #6
Ok, then I'd say he was probably drinking and making excuses. That sounds far fetched. nt Electric Monk Apr 2016 #7
You can have false positives cally May 2016 #9
Thank you notawinger Jun 2016 #28
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