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Response to apocalypsehow (Reply #14)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 10:20 AM

19. And the person that was responding, of course, wasn't being childish or immature.

Oh, and I'm still waiting for an apology from you.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1240207777#post60 et. al.




Particularly this one here...

[div class=excerpt style=background:#AFEEEE]krispos42

59. Likewise.

It doesn't matter; we're talking past each other.

You don't want/care to know about any problem with an Assault Weapons Ban. You don't want/care to know that semiautomatic rifles fed from a detachable magazine will still be available for sale after either the old one or the new one is in effect. You don't want/care to know that politicians that agree with this know it but are supporting is anyway to appease you without actually doing anything.


This isn't an NRA talking point, this is a cold, hard, indisputable fact. I've read the summary of Feinstein's legislation; it does not ban semiautomatic rifles fed from detachable magazines as a class, only ones with certain secondary ("military" features.

So the next shooter will kill his dozen or two with a politically acceptable rifle.


[div class=excerpt style=background:#FFE4E1]apocalypsehow

60. No one's forcing you to post NRA talking points on a progressive discussion board. n/t.

[div class=excerpt style=background:#AFEEEE]krispos42

83. I didn't. Those are facts. Try again. Read Feinstein's summary of her ideal, undiluted AWB.

I did; ergo, I know what I'm talking about. Do you?

The fact that you refuse to acknowledge them as facts indicates... what, exactly? That you cling to the Brady talking points that the AWB will make future mass shooting less likely?


And guess what? Little thing you forgot to mention about DU... unlike, say, GLBT rights and related discussion, more than one viewpoint on guns is permitted on DU.


The fact that somebody doesn't like the facts that I post DOES NOT EXCUSE insults to me.

[div class=excerpt style=background:#FFE4E1]apocalypsehow

84. No one's forcing you to post NRA talking points on a progressive discussion board. n/t.

[div class=excerpt style=background:#AFEEEE]krispos42

86. And nobody's forcing you to be ashamed to admit that I'm right n/t

[div class=excerpt style=background:#FFE4E1]apocalypsehow

87. Except, you're not right. That is obvious as the day is long - and you well know it. n/t.

[div class=excerpt style=background:#AFEEEE]krispos42

92. Did you read Feinstein's summary of her bill? Yes or no.

Only then can you say whether I am right or wrong.



The conversation mysteriously stopped RIGHT THERE. Gee, wonder why?


Maybe it's because that since then, Feinstein has revealed the full text of her proposed AWB. And lookie here...


The term ‘semiautomatic assault weapon’
19 means any of the following, regardless of country of manu20
facture or caliber of ammunition accepted:
21 ‘‘(A) A semiautomatic rifle that has the capac
22 ity to accept a detachable magazine and any 1 of the
23 following:
24 ‘‘(i) A pistol grip.
25 ‘‘(ii) A forward grip.

1 ‘‘(iii) A folding, telescoping, or detachable
2 stock.
3 ‘‘(iv) A grenade launcher or rocket launch
4 er.
5 ‘‘(v) A barrel shroud.
6 ‘‘(vi) A threaded barrel.

7 ‘‘(B) A semiautomatic rifle that has a fixed
8 magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10
9 rounds, except for an attached tubular device de
10 signed to accept, and capable of operating only with,
11 .22 caliber rimfire ammunition.
12 ‘‘(C) Any part, combination of parts, compo
13 nent, device, attachment, or accessory that is de
14 signed or functions to accelerate the rate of fire of
15 a semiautomatic rifle but not convert the semiauto
16 matic rifle into a machinegun.
17 ‘‘(D) A semiautomatic pistol that has the ca
18 pacity to accept a detachable magazine and any 1 of
19 the following:
20 ‘‘(i) A threaded barrel.
21 ‘‘(ii) A second pistol grip.
22 ‘‘(iii) A barrel shroud.
23 ‘‘(iv) The capacity to accept a detachable
24 magazine at some location outside of the pistol
25 grip.

1 ‘‘(v) A semiautomatic version of an auto2
matic firearm.
3 ‘‘(E) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed maga
4 zine that has the capacity to accept more than 10
5 rounds.
6 ‘‘(F) A semiautomatic shotgun that has any 1
7 of the following:
8 ‘‘(i) A folding, telescoping, or detachable
9 stock.
10 ‘‘(ii) A pistol grip.
11 ‘‘(iii) A fixed magazine with the capacity to
12 accept more than 5 rounds.
13 ‘‘(iv) The ability to accept a detachable
14 magazine.
15 ‘‘(v) A forward grip.
16 ‘‘(vi) A grenade launcher or rocket launch
17 er.
18 ‘‘(G) Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/files/serve/?File_id=9a9270d5-ce4d-49fb-9b2f-69e69f517fb4

Excerpt from pages 2 thru 4

boldface mine



So as long as the semiautomatic rifle fed from a detachable magazine does not have any of the features in the list, it can and will still be produced and sold to the public.


And if that's not enough for you, try this out.


‘‘APPENDIX A – FIREARMS EXEMPTED BY THE
2 ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN OF 2013
3 ‘‘CENTERFIRE RIFLES—AUTOLOADERS
4 ‘‘Benelli R1 Rifle
5 ‘‘Browning BAR Mark II Safari Magnum Rifle
6 ‘‘Browning BAR Mark II Safari Semi-Auto
7 Rifle
8 ‘‘Browning BAR Stalker Rifles
9 ‘‘Browning High-Power Rifle
10 ‘‘Browning Longtrac Rifle
11 ‘‘Browning Shorttrac Rifle
12 ‘‘Heckler & Koch HK630
13 ‘‘Heckler & Koch HK770
14 ‘‘Heckler & Koch HK940
15 ‘‘Heckler & Koch Model 300 Rifle
16 ‘‘Heckler & Koch SL7 Rifle
17 ‘‘Iver Johnson 50th Anniversary M-1 Carbine
18 (w/o folding stock)
19 ‘‘Iver Johnson M-1 Carbine (w/o folding stock)
20 ‘‘M-1 Carbines with standard fixed stock
21 ‘‘M-1 Garand with fixed 8 round capacity and
22 standard stock
23 ‘‘Marlin Model 9 Camp Carbine
24 ‘‘Marlin Model 45 Carbine
25 ‘‘Remington Model 74
24

1 ‘‘Remington Model 81
2 ‘‘Remington Model 740
3 ‘‘Remington Model 742
4 ‘‘Remington Model 750 Synthetic
5 ‘‘Remington Model 750 Woodmaster
6 ‘‘Remington Model 7400 Rifle
7 ‘‘Remington Model 7400 Special Purpose Auto
8 Rifle
9 ‘‘Remington Nylon 66 Auto-Loading Rifle
10 ‘‘Ruger Mini 30
11 ‘‘Ruger Mini-14 (w/o folding stock)
12 ‘‘Ruger PC4
13 ‘‘Ruger PC9
14 ‘‘SKS type rifles with fixed 10 round magazine
15 and standard fixed stock
16 ‘‘Winchester Model SXR

Excerpt from pages 23 thru 24
boldface mine





I was right, and you were wrong, and no matter how much contempt drips from your posts or how snide and arrogant your comments, you can't change the fact that you were WRONG. And you embarrassed yourself then, and you're embarrassing yourself now.

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