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benEzra

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50. Umm, the AR-15 absolutely dominates centerfire target competition in this country...
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 02:23 PM
Mar 2013
Hardly a weapon you would need for target practice, home defense or hunting anything besides humans.


Umm, the AR-15 absolutely dominates centerfire target competition in this country. The only disciplines it *doesn't* dominate are those in which it is too physically small to dominate (I'm thinking F-class benchrest here). It not only is a target rifle in its many iterations, it is the top selling centerfire target rifle in the United States.

The AR also dominates centerfire recreational shooting, and the rimfire variants are making inroads on the ubiquitous (and functionally identical) Ruger 10/22.

As far as home defense goes, it's a centerfire .22. With JHP in the 50-62 grain weight class, it penetrates less in wallboard than either shotgun 00 buckshot or 9mm JHP, while giving better precision and less recoil than the shotgun, and far more more precision than the handgun. So, yeah, it's a darn good alternative to a 12-gauge, assuming you go with a 16" barrel and not a 20" or 24" long-range barrel. And it's easier to mount a light on an AR than it is to mount one on my old Mini-14.

As far as hunting, the AR isn't widely viewed as powerful enough for most deer hunting unless you step up to a bigger caliber upper than .223, and the power of the rounds it can feed is limited by the AR's small magwell. 6.8mm Remington or 6.5mm Grendel would make pretty good deer calibers, as would the .30 Remington AR, but the overwhelming majority of AR's are chambered in .223, a coyote and prairie-dog round in the hunting world.

What it's *not* commonly used for is "hunting humans." Rifles are the least misused of all weapons in the United States, as you well know. And to this day the worst mass shooting in U.S. history used an ordinary 9mm and a backpack full of low-capacity magazines, as I recall.

You could buy 2 excellent rifles for the price of an AR-15.


Prior to the current ban-fueled buying frenzy, you could get a Smith & Wesson AR for $600. I'd love for you to show me "two excellent rifles" you can buy for $600 total. You could hardly buy a bare-bones Ruger Mini-14 for $600, never mind two higher-quality rifles. Heck, even a cheap-cheap Remington 770 at Walmart is, what, $450?

You've been spun, and hard.
the fear being that they won't be able to get one bossy22 Mar 2013 #1
+1 raidert05 Mar 2013 #4
thus creating a self fulfilling prophecy frylock Mar 2013 #7
Yet, there are ebbs in gun purchases, prob. when there us little talk of bans. Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #17
post assumes they would then misuse them. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #42
+1 Pullo Mar 2013 #6
People own firearms for many reasons av8r1998 Mar 2013 #2
Dude, look in a mirror Mopar151 Mar 2013 #9
its not about NEED bossy22 Mar 2013 #20
I am fearful of those who carry loaded firearms in a public place. Mopar151 Mar 2013 #26
stastically you shouldn't be bossy22 Mar 2013 #30
"I am fearful..." Of course you are. The vast majority of the gun control issue is all fear-based. Common Sense Party Mar 2013 #41
If you think those are sane.responsible gun owners...... Mopar151 Mar 2013 #43
Cycle of fear seems to leave out governments' efforts to ban Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #3
Pretty thin gruel rrneck Mar 2013 #5
I've never been scared of any firearm I've bought. ileus Mar 2013 #8
Good tools...... n/t Mopar151 Mar 2013 #10
They are tools. nt oldhippie Mar 2013 #14
The cause of gun control would be better served by sarisataka Mar 2013 #11
Assault rifles, a compulsion to warriorhood jimmy the one Mar 2013 #12
Interesting analysis sarisataka Mar 2013 #13
I tend to think the guns being 'vetted' by the military allows a buyer jmg257 Mar 2013 #15
I think what you say is a true perception sarisataka Mar 2013 #16
Fear and pre-occupation with sexual identity is an obsession with gun-controllers... Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #18
"I'll take economy and flexibility any day" Starboard Tack Mar 2013 #25
In another time on DU I would have a chance of successfully alerting... Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #28
Except the OP is about the cycle of fear that drives folk to buy assautlt rifles Starboard Tack Mar 2013 #33
Thats why police need them. beevul Mar 2013 #39
Police do not need them, except in special circumstances Starboard Tack Mar 2013 #44
I still cannot believe you wish to disarm LEOs. Jenoch Mar 2013 #47
Re-read your statement, tack. nt Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #45
Umm, the AR-15 absolutely dominates centerfire target competition in this country... benEzra Mar 2013 #50
Message auto-removed Floyd R Turbo Mar 2013 #52
and this is why the debate goes nowhere bossy22 Mar 2013 #21
moi l'raison jimmy the one Mar 2013 #22
assume bossy22 Mar 2013 #24
Wow! A veritable air- burst of crap! Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #29
And to think I wasted my time at the VA for a psych eval sarisataka Mar 2013 #32
ruger mortis jimmy the one Mar 2013 #36
Perhaps tone does not come through ... sarisataka Mar 2013 #37
Pop psychology: The cheap seats of intellectual inquiry. nt Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #46
Message auto-removed Floyd R Turbo Mar 2013 #53
Whenever people react based on emotion rather than fact.... av8r1998 Mar 2013 #23
A perfect case in point. benEzra Mar 2013 #48
mosin nagant, a good pole vault jimmy the one Mar 2013 #49
Finn M39 on a 1905 Izhevsk receiver still bearing the Romanov crest, benEzra Mar 2013 #51
the romanovs & otma jimmy the one Mar 2013 #55
Yeah, I call bullshit rl6214 Mar 2013 #19
Of course you do. Starboard Tack Mar 2013 #27
That's funny, I always thought that the cycle of fear drove efforts to ban guns. kudzu22 Mar 2013 #31
There is no effort to disarm the nation. Starboard Tack Mar 2013 #34
Message auto-removed Floyd R Turbo Mar 2013 #54
My kids still love shooting our AR's....even my 8&10 yo's know ileus Mar 2013 #38
Perhaps you could comment on... discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2013 #35
Fear sells. Always has. Starboard Tack Mar 2013 #58
Fear sells to the fearful. discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2013 #61
I wonder how important it is Jenoch Mar 2013 #40
Apparently, it is not important to those who don't wish to learn about themselves. Starboard Tack Mar 2013 #59
what kind of mirror is it? gejohnston Mar 2013 #60
It was a rhetorical question. Jenoch Mar 2013 #62
Message auto-removed NCState Mar 2013 #56
Post removed Post removed Mar 2013 #57
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