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In reply to the discussion: Who are the Militia? [View all]

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
139. My opinion? No they didn't. But i also think the security of the 2nd
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 09:56 PM
Jul 2013

Has since been used to prevent some infringement on arms, congressional power granted or not.

Who are the Militia? [View all] DWC Jul 2013 OP
Times change WovenGems Jul 2013 #1
Couldn't you find a bigger brush? geckosfeet Jul 2013 #3
agreed. safeinOhio Jul 2013 #4
My, oh my, you're a champ. discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #11
What? WovenGems Jul 2013 #14
George Mason: discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #16
That answered not WovenGems Jul 2013 #17
Just to be clear... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #18
The militia WovenGems Jul 2013 #21
From US History... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #23
Semantics WovenGems Jul 2013 #25
Agreed in part discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #30
It specifically is not. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #36
Rather an indistinct meaning these days, no? jmg257 Jul 2013 #28
Not even close. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #37
Thank You - "unorganized", which isnt even close to "well-regulated" jmg257 Jul 2013 #41
You don't understand what was meant by 'well regulated'. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #42
Of course I do, its right there in the Constitution, the Militia Acts, even the Federalist papers. jmg257 Jul 2013 #45
Partially agree. Except AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #64
No. The militias are NOT formed in times of need. THEY ARE NECESSARY! jmg257 Jul 2013 #68
I have suggested to our governor on several occasions AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #70
It might. But then agan...why would a sand bag brigade need arms? Or to be well regulated? nt jmg257 Jul 2013 #72
I think emergency management would be a valid test. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #73
Sure. Make the provisions in law. Get the people at least somewhat involved jmg257 Jul 2013 #74
So many falacies in one post. beevul Jul 2013 #43
Bullshit - you might want to read this too jmg257 Jul 2013 #47
Which part of that contradicts anything I said? N/T beevul Jul 2013 #48
"First off, "well regulated" doesn't mean heaped under regulations. " jmg257 Jul 2013 #49
The "well regulated" which I refer to... beevul Jul 2013 #52
YOU get to define the term "well-regulated"? In spite its use in several other period jmg257 Jul 2013 #56
NRA WovenGems Jul 2013 #58
Ooga-booga NRA! AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #66
Except at this point, none of that matters ExCop-LawStudent Jul 2013 #87
Yes! You are of course right. Which is why I dont get all the yap about "militia". jmg257 Jul 2013 #89
Well even newspapers... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #92
Exactly! ExCop-LawStudent Jul 2013 #94
Not strange when one considers the topics discussed. hansberrym Jul 2013 #147
BTW...amendment 2 "calls for" a "well-regulated militia". They are "necessary". jmg257 Jul 2013 #51
No, it really doesn't. beevul Jul 2013 #53
Sure it does. A well-regulated militia is "necessary". jmg257 Jul 2013 #57
It doesn't mean what you think it means. beevul Jul 2013 #111
I know, I never said anything was forbidden. jmg257 Jul 2013 #115
No, but amendment 2 does. beevul Jul 2013 #123
Ha! Ha! You are still on regulated = equipped? Bullshit yesterday, bullshit today, jmg257 Jul 2013 #125
Yeah you're right ... beevul Jul 2013 #128
Thanks - I know! jmg257 Jul 2013 #129
equipped not synonymous with regulated jimmy the one Jul 2013 #117
he's so vain...... jimmy the one Jul 2013 #119
Goofy - right? I just never heard that one before! jmg257 Jul 2013 #120
the right of the people to be equipped snbi jimmy the one Jul 2013 #149
All thaty ability to copy and paste... beevul Jul 2013 #124
n/a nt jmg257 Jul 2013 #130
irrelevant tapdance jimmy the one Jul 2013 #131
LOL beevul Jul 2013 #132
You might want to read this too, on the importance of preambles in amendments... jmg257 Jul 2013 #61
Regarding the Bill of Rights discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #62
Are you stating that there was such a thing as "the unorganized milita" in 1791? jmg257 Jul 2013 #63
Yes discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #65
THAT? The Act that says "organization" right in it??? jmg257 Jul 2013 #69
Unorganized Militia discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #85
??? The same folks as who? What does this have to do with 1791?? jmg257 Jul 2013 #95
Here's a secret discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #97
No, its my turn to say again...the militia referred to in 1792 were REGULATED, organized, jmg257 Jul 2013 #98
Your opinion differs from... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #102
Peace, friend...and cheers! jmg257 Jul 2013 #104
Hmmm...maybe you are missing this? jmg257 Jul 2013 #100
Yes, there was, and they were referred to as 'irregular' troops. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #67
Sorry - "troops" are very different from "militia".... jmg257 Jul 2013 #71
"NOW" being a key word...what year was this? nt jmg257 Jul 2013 #27
Yes of course. discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #33
Done - in numerous locations, just in this thread alone. jmg257 Jul 2013 #34
The Militia Act of 1903... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #46
True - and mention the creation of the National Guard as the new "well-regulated militia". jmg257 Jul 2013 #50
I'm a dumbass, ignore this post. :) n/t Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #55
"the unorganized militia" discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #59
Great...thanks for this. jmg257 Jul 2013 #60
Times Change. People don't. DWC Jul 2013 #20
fruitcakes discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #22
OF COURSE people change...a huge majority these days don't want to have ANY jmg257 Jul 2013 #29
Human Nature DWC Jul 2013 #35
If you are male, and were ever between the ages of 17-45 ExCop-LawStudent Jul 2013 #79
This little tidbit is in Virginia's declaration of rights: geckosfeet Jul 2013 #2
Yea but WovenGems Jul 2013 #5
So, I'm a 'nutter' now for being a trained, certified FEMA CERT? AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #39
Clearly a balance is the best option discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #7
And yet Hamilton said... jmg257 Jul 2013 #32
However... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #44
No shit. But what's the point? jmg257 Jul 2013 #80
The point discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #82
the people = 'free adult white males' jimmy the one Jul 2013 #8
re: "...excluding about 75% of other americans..." discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #9
machiavellian jimmy the one Jul 2013 #15
re: "...75% americans did not have any federal right to bear arms in late 1700's." discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #86
You wrote "...hidden individual rkba subtlety...?" DWC Jul 2013 #13
"Unlimited power of the sword" is "in the hands of the people"? jmg257 Jul 2013 #26
Thanks for pointing out ExCop-LawStudent Jul 2013 #90
The people have to be able to defend themselves ileus Jul 2013 #6
They were "ourselves"...circa 225 years ago. Now they are the National Guard... jmg257 Jul 2013 #10
Not that it's a big deal but... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #12
coxe spelled it $R$K$B$A$ jimmy the one Jul 2013 #19
Your high volume of verbiage DWC Jul 2013 #24
TLDR ExCop-LawStudent Jul 2013 #91
TLDR and YAWN!! CokeMachine Jul 2013 #105
Modern usage of term "militia" = anti-government, anti-tax extremists and fruitcakes Jessy169 Jul 2013 #31
We must be DWC Jul 2013 #38
You're looking at the dictionary definition Jessy169 Jul 2013 #40
Actually, he's looking at the governments military organization definition. :) n/t Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #54
1828 websters, again, on well regulated jimmy the one Jul 2013 #75
mason out of context jimmy the one Jul 2013 #76
See my last post! nt CokeMachine Jul 2013 #107
Changing horses, & bunkum jimmy the one Jul 2013 #77
oh really? hansberrym Jul 2013 #88
you're not feigning ignorance, HB jimmy the one Jul 2013 #101
try reading, it works for those who do. hansberrym Jul 2013 #113
trainband is a trained band jimmy the one Jul 2013 #121
Why is reading so difficult for you? hansberrym Jul 2013 #126
london militia, trainbands jimmy the one Jul 2013 #133
OMG you really cannot comprehend even the simplest of concepts hansberrym Jul 2013 #135
Stop responding to JTO he's having fun and won't answer ceonupe Jul 2013 #151
Yeah, but I'm having fun too, and his inability to answer is much of the fun n/t hansberrym Jul 2013 #154
see you, ceu. jimmy the one Jul 2013 #156
There it is again the ban you because we disagree ceonupe Jul 2013 #157
Curious as to why you quoted Hamilton, when his notions of a select militia jmg257 Jul 2013 #136
Perhaps curiosity will get the best of you, and you will read the thread -or maybe not. n/t hansberrym Jul 2013 #140
I have....several times. Curious as to why you would quote Hamlton? jmg257 Jul 2013 #141
see #142 n/t hansberrym Jul 2013 #143
Thanks..ill check it out...seems to make sense at 1st read. Nt jmg257 Jul 2013 #144
The Constitution is 4,433 words DWC Jul 2013 #99
Yawn -- lots of words -- yawn!! CokeMachine Jul 2013 #106
1788 1788 1788 1788 1788 1788 1788 jimmy the one Jul 2013 #78
You just caught that? Which makes his whole "unlimited power of the sword" thingie pretty silly, jmg257 Jul 2013 #81
what the hell is the 2nd needed for?? hansberrym Jul 2013 #116
Thank you - "POWERS actually GRANTED TO Congress". jmg257 Jul 2013 #118
Which powers were in the hands of Congress? hansberrym Jul 2013 #122
Congress had powers to provide for organizing/regulating/arming the militias jmg257 Jul 2013 #137
and did Congress have the power to disarm the people? n/t hansberrym Jul 2013 #138
My opinion? No they didn't. But i also think the security of the 2nd jmg257 Jul 2013 #139
There you go. So in order to prevent the abuse of the power actually granted hansberrym Jul 2013 #142
Good points on Hamilton...in the numerous times I've read it, jmg257 Jul 2013 #145
cheers! n/t hansberrym Jul 2013 #146
too funny hansberrym Jul 2013 #83
foot mouth egg face jimmy the one Jul 2013 #96
Even funnier hansberrym Jul 2013 #109
rawle's corollary jimmy the one Jul 2013 #84
LOL, and yet what Scalia wrote actually had impact ExCop-LawStudent Jul 2013 #93
first draft of 2ndA & tench coxe jimmy the one Jul 2013 #103
See post 106. nt CokeMachine Jul 2013 #108
Chess Check your facts. When did the first Congress Meet? hansberrym Jul 2013 #110
Yawn. ExCop-LawStudent Jul 2013 #112
student driver jimmy the one Jul 2013 #127
LOL, still not getting the lesson I see ExCop-LawStudent Jul 2013 #134
talking turkeys jimmy the one Jul 2013 #148
A Thanksgiving Tale hansberrym Jul 2013 #150
OK, then let's look at what courts have said about the "militia" ExCop-LawStudent Jul 2013 #152
henry colt jimmy the one Jul 2013 #155
Gee, I guess the fact ExCop-LawStudent Jul 2013 #158
best consult your professors, mr student jimmy the one Jul 2013 #159
Maybe you missed this discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #160
XXXXXXX jimmy the one Jul 2013 #161
I'm speechless discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #162
Or just read the document hansberrym Jul 2013 #163
LOL, none are as blind as those that will not see ExCop-LawStudent Jul 2013 #164
Quit -- you'll hurt his feelings. CokeMachine Jul 2013 #165
I thought it was funny... ExCop-LawStudent Jul 2013 #166
screwy driver hansberrym Jul 2013 #153
Schooltime for two students jimmy the one Jul 2013 #167
Lesson One for JTO ExCop-LawStudent Jul 2013 #168
changling jimmy the one Jul 2013 #169
Ah, but you do! ExCop-LawStudent Jul 2013 #170
Lesson #1: Texas and Georgia are different states. n/t hansberrym Jul 2013 #172
We should all want the tools to defend our families and country. ileus Jul 2013 #114
I am the militia era veteran Jul 2013 #171
You do understand DWC Jul 2013 #173
Vigilance era veteran Jul 2013 #174
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