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Paladin

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58. Nicely Put, DanTex.

Sat Dec 17, 2011, 09:21 PM

Dec 2011

Always encouraging to see an outbreak of clear thinking and sanity in the DU guns group. God knows, it doesn't happen nearly often enough.....

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How do you rank second amendment rights? [View all] digonswine Dec 2011 OP

You're likely referring to my post. We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #1

No--I was not referring to your post-- digonswine Dec 2011 #5

Fair enough.... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #7

The idea that you can support your right to marry, etc-- digonswine Dec 2011 #9

How exactly do you think we gained ours as a nation? We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #11

Are you saying that we can exert our will-- digonswine Dec 2011 #12

Like it or not...yes. We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #14

I have not noticed- digonswine Dec 2011 #17

Then you're not paying attention. We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #18

I am not certain- digonswine Dec 2011 #23

Why should public officials have any better protection than the average Citizen? PavePusher Dec 2011 #25

Are you saying that the president should NOT have a better security detail than I should? digonswine Dec 2011 #30

I'm saying (admittedly a bit hyperbolically) that the pres has a very large and tight security detal PavePusher Dec 2011 #32

Post removed Post removed Dec 2011 #24

Because right now-and all the lessons of history- digonswine Dec 2011 #31

I think it's one of a number of reasons. PavePusher Dec 2011 #33

We are no longer fighting the war for independence-- digonswine Dec 2011 #19

You are only half correct. PavePusher Dec 2011 #27

The War of Independence wasn't so much an event DissedByBush Dec 2011 #36

I can't say that all rights are equal; I just don't know... SteveW Dec 2011 #2

Good post-- digonswine Dec 2011 #15

You might find the idea of single issue voters nuts.. MicaelS Dec 2011 #26

This is nuts- digonswine Dec 2011 #28

You're right. The Libyans had it all wrong. PavePusher Dec 2011 #29

Oh puleeze fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2011 #38

Please drop a line to the Taliban, they seem to have missed a memo. PavePusher Dec 2011 #41

Don't forget the North Vietnamese either, they didn't know they couldn;t win. ntxt DonP Dec 2011 #43

Thanks for Proving My Point fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2011 #49

And yet they tie up 150K troops of the best trained, equiped and led military in history. PavePusher Dec 2011 #52

You want to overthrow with guns fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2011 #53

history lesson gejohnston Dec 2011 #56

I refer you back to the last sentance of my post. n/t PavePusher Dec 2011 #67

They are leaving in droves to form the Illusionist Party Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #77

Thanks for the complement... SteveW Dec 2011 #68

I like the positioning of the BOR MicaelS Dec 2011 #3

me too. Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2011 #4

I do not have a problem with bearing arms-- digonswine Dec 2011 #20

It's OK, but why is it very important? Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #78

define police state gejohnston Dec 2011 #79

In France it is a right to own, but illegal to bear. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #96

Lets look at your list a little closer shall we? We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #80

Sure. No cameras in this country. Maybe not where you live. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #94

You don't get it do you? We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #98

+1000 (n/t) spin Dec 2011 #13

I think the BoR should have been prefaced with "In no particular order..." n/t DissedByBush Dec 2011 #37

So You Like The BOR Positioning, Do You? Paladin Dec 2011 #48

One is stated in the BoR, one is implied DissedByBush Dec 2011 #6

It may indeed be pointless- digonswine Dec 2011 #8

I have a hard time ranking rights DissedByBush Dec 2011 #10

Most important michreject Dec 2011 #16

I disagree as I explained here: TPaine7 Dec 2011 #21

interesting point. Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2011 #22

At the end of a continuum of force. nt rrneck Dec 2011 #34

I'd rank second amendment rights as being the most important. Pacafishmate Dec 2011 #35

How many times have you been shot at in this country? Hoyt Dec 2011 #40

I rank second amendment rights right down there with state's rights . . . . . to discriminate. Hoyt Dec 2011 #39

When you start picking and choosing Civil Rights... PavePusher Dec 2011 #42

I wish you guys would learn the distinction between Civil Rights and Civil Liberties. Hoyt Dec 2011 #46

Bill of Rights. Constitutional Right. PavePusher Dec 2011 #47

But not a "civil right." So stop trying to hitch your poor pitiful gun plight to that movement. Hoyt Dec 2011 #50

So, none of the Bill of Rights is a "civil" Right? PavePusher Dec 2011 #54

Sadly, Civil Rights came much later than the Constitution -- not in the "Bill of Rights." Hoyt Dec 2011 #71

Sadly, Civil Rights came much later than the Constitution gejohnston Dec 2011 #72

What, on your say-so? Snort. n/t PavePusher Dec 2011 #73

Civil liberties are one's core rights - they stand above civil rights nt hack89 Dec 2011 #63

All Civil Rights are equal and mutually supporting. PavePusher Dec 2011 #44

You have to stay alive before you can exercise any other right. ileus Dec 2011 #45

Gun ownership is not a civil right. DanTex Dec 2011 #51

Well Said fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2011 #55

individual right gejohnston Dec 2011 #57

Nicely Put, DanTex. Paladin Dec 2011 #58

Well said. AlinPA Dec 2011 #59

You either know better or you should TPaine7 Dec 2011 #60

Well, 2A was in fact intended to prevent the... DanTex Dec 2011 #65

You either know better or you should TPaine7 Dec 2011 #74

Well, I'm glad you came out and flatly denied that 2A was intended to prevent the... DanTex Dec 2011 #75

your argument completely falls apart gejohnston Dec 2011 #76

I'll grant that you personally are not prone to hyperbole and extremism on the second amendment. DanTex Dec 2011 #97

In order to preserve the well regulated militia, the Second Amendment forbad the government TPaine7 Dec 2011 #81

Wow, you guys really can't stray even an inch from the gunner talking points, can you! DanTex Dec 2011 #89

See post 88. On second thought, your "philosophy" was just too funny to leave alone. Bye now. TPaine7 Dec 2011 #90

this has what to do with me? gejohnston Dec 2011 #91

I'm aware that you have traveled and are familiar with a lot of different... DanTex Dec 2011 #93

Thats a hell of an assumption. We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #99

Yeah, I've travelled to Europe and Canada and other countires too. Multiple times. TPaine7 Dec 2011 #95

"Philosophy" or "the most important point to me" TPaine7 Dec 2011 #88

Ahh, logical ineptitude in all it's glory. Bravo! DanTex Dec 2011 #92

"Red Dawn fantasies notwithstanding" ellisonz Dec 2011 #83

Condescension and insults We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #84

I think it's more an attempt at humor. ellisonz Dec 2011 #85

And like your attempt at an argument... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #86

Whatever you say... ellisonz Dec 2011 #87

So every right enumerated in the BOR is an individual right except the 2nd? hack89 Dec 2011 #64

Your analogies suck. PavePusher Dec 2011 #66

Your argument hinges on an "obsolete" outlook... SteveW Dec 2011 #69

Occupy the Gungeon. ellisonz Dec 2011 #82

No enumerated/protected rights should be given more weight over other enumerated/protected rights. OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2011 #61

The scond amendment 41mag Dec 2011 #62

And Arizona had to follow the hoary, hairy behind of Vermont! SteveW Dec 2011 #70