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gejohnston

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12. Most of that can't be done by federal law
Wed May 7, 2014, 05:31 PM
May 2014

Wyoming bans guns in bars, but that is not a federal issue. The states that do (including New York and California. Both of those states actually make Georgia's "guns everywhere" look restrictive) make it a felony to drink alcohol while armed.
There are very few privately owned machine guns and none of them have been used in a crime since the 1930s (since even Dillinger stole his from a police department, and Thompsons and BARs were usually stolen from police and National Guard, which had poor security standards back then, I would question the legally owned part). All of them are antiques. The only murder committed in about 80 years with a legal machine gun was a cop murdering an informant with a MAC-10 registered to the department.
There actually is no "gun show loophole" since most gun show sales are FFLs. Sales between private intra state sales would probably violate the Commerce Clause, which is why the Brady Bill has nothing to do with private sales. From the Wright/Rossi study in the 1980s, we know that criminals don't go to gun shows to begin with, and rarely get them from FFLs even before NICS.
There actually are federal anti gun trafficking statutes, they are simply written to not ensnare people with no criminal intent, which is why I suspect some ideologues support one that does.
"buy backs" do nothing other than piss tax money away on theater and create a market for rusted "been in the sock drawer for 50 years before grown kids discovered them."
I define "sensible" as actually doing some good other than simply having a law to look good.
While the test on basic gun safety is reasonable, would it be like something like the test for a Canadian minors permit (which allows 12-18 year olds unsupervised use of nonrestricted weapons and buy ammunition for rifles and shotguns), which is similar to hunter safety courses required in many states before getting the first hunting license, or what NYC does, create tests that are aimed at flunking people to deny them the card? Examples on the NYC test include "how wide is the flash gap on a revolver" and "how does a switchblade knife operate"? While I'm not opposed to the idea in principle, there would have to be safeguards to prevent places like Chicago and NYC from writing tests that serve no purpose other than discourage ownership.


age limits for unsupervised use
Most if not all states have those. On the federal level, it is 18 for handguns. However, in the US, a local cop has no obligation and often no right to enforce federal law unless there is a corresponding state law. That is why Denver PD hasn't been busting pot shops lately, and the feds don't want to bother.
The local cop could hold you for the ATF, but chances are they won't show and a US attorney won't bother with something that trivial.
What does this quote mean to you? [View all] gejohnston May 2014 OP
I would say it's somewhat naive Prophet 451 May 2014 #1
while that does happen gejohnston May 2014 #4
I'd like to see that evidence please Prophet 451 May 2014 #5
IIRC Patterns in Criminal Homicide gejohnston May 2014 #10
Thanks, I'll look for the article Prophet 451 May 2014 #11
Most of that can't be done by federal law gejohnston May 2014 #12
The gun show loophole Prophet 451 May 2014 #13
Actually no, gejohnston May 2014 #14
Target the laws to the unlawful behavior, not general activity. blueridge3210 May 2014 #2
It's questionable how well we've addressed that Prophet 451 May 2014 #6
Out of 300+ Million? blueridge3210 May 2014 #8
I think the cultural change had more effect, TBH Prophet 451 May 2014 #9
Oh absolutely. blueridge3210 May 2014 #15
I actually agree with extended clip bans Prophet 451 May 2014 #16
And yet blueridge3210 May 2014 #17
Sure, but... Prophet 451 May 2014 #18
Not saying anyone is necessarily born a criminal. blueridge3210 May 2014 #19
Well, I think 8 would be too small Prophet 451 May 2014 #21
second Brit I have seen say something like that gejohnston May 2014 #20
No, not duels Prophet 451 May 2014 #22
Both of my older brothers and grandfather were cops in my gejohnston May 2014 #23
This might be a US/UK thing Prophet 451 May 2014 #24
could be, there is even a couple of country songs about them gejohnston May 2014 #26
I don't know if it using violence to negotiate issues blueridge3210 May 2014 #25
A grossly simplistic statement of an age old problem tularetom May 2014 #3
Not just anybody gets to buy many types of medical or Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2014 #7
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