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HALO141

(911 posts)
15. The author gets it wrong.
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 11:14 PM
Jun 2014
Nothing has changed.

Question 11a on Form 4473 is, "Are you the actual transferee/buyer of the firearm(s) listed on this form?" In the case in question, the firearm was purchased by one individual on behalf of another for the simple reason of taking advantage of the police discount from a particular retailer. The third party was not a prohibited person. While this transaction may have violated the letter of the law it did not breach the intent of said law which is, obviously, to prevent prohibited individuals from using a straw buyer to obtain firearms. If the buyer named on the 4473 had purchased the gun and simply gifted it to his uncle, there would have been no violation. And if, a few weeks later, the uncle had given his nephew the 400 bucks (or whatever) that's also just fine. (You'd have to prove it isn't and that's all but an impossible task.)

Some state laws may vary but so far as Federal law is concerned, I can still give (or sell) whatever I want to whomever I want so long as the recipient is not prohibited from owning firearms. If I agree to purchase a firearm on behalf of another person, however, that is where I run afoul of the law. Commentators on both sides of this issue are getting it wrong and presuming that the decision is far more broad than it really is.
So Kennedy did the right thing for once, and Scalia and the other criminals on court randys1 Jun 2014 #1
Good for Kennedy. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #2
I am assuming that is the breakdown, the article didnt say and I didnt pursue randys1 Jun 2014 #3
Not sure how you effectively enforce this. blueridge3210 Jun 2014 #4
Nobody will know unless there is an incident. Starboard Tack Jun 2014 #5
Didn't really answer the question blueridge3210 Jun 2014 #7
The way I see it, no firearms laws are really enforceable, if someone wants to circumnavigate them. Starboard Tack Jun 2014 #8
Strange, a bunch of people blueridge3210 Jun 2014 #9
There's a difference between enforceable and getting caught. Starboard Tack Jun 2014 #11
That makes no sense at all. blueridge3210 Jun 2014 #12
Speeding is enforceable. It happens in public. Starboard Tack Jun 2014 #13
If people are arrested, prosecuted blueridge3210 Jun 2014 #14
Sure, on a very minimal level Starboard Tack Jun 2014 #18
Nice tangent. blueridge3210 Jun 2014 #19
As I recall, the purchaser bought the gun in Virginia Jenoch Jun 2014 #10
The man being prosecuted in this case for a straw purchase Jenoch Jun 2014 #6
The author gets it wrong. HALO141 Jun 2014 #15
I believe the buyer and the uncle lived in different states. Jenoch Jun 2014 #23
It would be but gejohnston Jun 2014 #24
I still don't think he did anything wrong. Jenoch Jun 2014 #25
I am not seeing how this is a "rare blow to gun purchases". ManiacJoe Jun 2014 #16
A foolish dissent by Scalia. Packerowner740 Jun 2014 #17
Wouldn't this be considered a straw purchase too? HockeyMom Jun 2014 #20
No, it is a gift under the Gun Control Act gejohnston Jun 2014 #21
A "Rare Blow"? Really? DonP Jun 2014 #22
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