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In reply to the discussion: One map that puts America's gun violence epidemic in perspective [View all]Starboard Tack
(11,181 posts)55. And this had what exactly to do with firearms?
Why the homicide rate in Europe began to drop in the 16th and 17th centuries is a matter of debate. The most widely accepted explanation stems from the work of Norbert Elias, a sociologist who in the late 1930's introduced the idea of a "civilizing process," in which the nobility was transformed from knights into courtiers, bringing in a new set of manners, and the modern state spread its power over the populace.
Official justice administered by courts replaced private vengeance conducted by feuds, fights and duels. Challenging conventional academic wisdom, Mr. Elias suggested, too, that the power of the state extended to cities first, so urban homicide rates would be comparatively low.
The introduction and use of firearms was purely coincidental and the rate of violence went down regardless of firearm proliferation, due to a combination of "state power" and a "civilizing process". Imagine how the rate of violence will be reduced when the US eventually undergoes a "civilizing process".
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One map that puts America's gun violence epidemic in perspective [View all]
SecularMotion
Jun 2014
OP
Honduras has a murder rate 22 times that of America? I would seriously want to take my children
Fred Sanders
Jun 2014
#3
In America we have cut our murder and manslaughter rate in half over the past 20 years
hack89
Jun 2014
#19
We are not supposed to notice that poverty and corruption correlate...
friendly_iconoclast
Jun 2014
#22
We have a horrible murder rate compared to countries like us. No one can deny it. n-t
Logical
Jun 2014
#23
Yet the point of the OP is that high gun ownership rates cause high murder rates
hack89
Jun 2014
#24
I am fine with guns. But I have no doubt that if there were no guns the USA murder rate would......
Logical
Jun 2014
#25
Guns are designed to kill things. Stop the silly comparisons. I will take my chance.....
Logical
Jun 2014
#28
Guns make it easy to kill people. LOL, why do cops/military carry guns? Get it yet? n-t
Logical
Jun 2014
#30
You really think if there were NO guns that they would all be replaced with other weapons? n-t
Logical
Jun 2014
#32
If you have no stake in the game, why should it matter what you think about the game?
Jenoch
Jul 2014
#69
LOL, so under your logic we should give guns to robbers to reduce injury's? Classic! n-t
Logical
Jun 2014
#38
No, based on what you said would that not prevent injury's??? You said it Einstein, not me.......
Logical
Jun 2014
#40
You still have not explained why we don't arm robbers with guns to prevent injury's! Please....
Logical
Jun 2014
#44
So you have no proof of this claim except something you read who knows where? LOL.....
Logical
Jun 2014
#46
LOL, you said it was a book! So you didn't even look before? Just BSing me? n-t
Logical
Jun 2014
#48