Gun Control & RKBA
In reply to the discussion: Ottawa gunman launched attack with slow-loading, John Wayne-style rifle: experts [View all]jimmy the one
(2,708 posts)ezra: My point is that the commentators panning lever-actions as worthless antiques far less capable than semiautos are wrong; they were developed as combat weapons, after all, and are capable of delivering a comparable rate of aimed fire to a .30 caliber semiauto... If you could magically outlaw all semiautomatics, detachable-magazine lever-actions or pump-actions can deliver a comparable rate of effective fire,
Effective fire would suffer, since the recoil from a lever action would necessitate reaim more than a semi with same caliber bullet. When comparing a lever with the AR15, I think an order of magnitude slower could indeed be correct. An ar15 has such little recoil a strong guy could likely shoot it like a pistol braced on his shoulder. With such little recoil AR15 shooter can get off more effective shots to target than a lever (per time). I'd guess the Canadian lever action approx. 150gr bullet, while .223 about 55 -60, so more effective shots per minute due less recoil due ligher bullet. You're so concerned with precision how you neglect that consideration? Small guy lanza didn't need worry about recoil at newtown.
.. and the musket was designed as a combat weapon, & the henry circa civil war was a combat weapon, they've become relatively outdated as combat weapons.
ezra: .. could magically outlaw all semiautomatics (which hasn't even happened in England; Google "BR-99" ,
OK I did, evidently a shotgun legal in England, what else is new? sg's are indeed legal in England with proper documentation, there might be a hunting restriction. A proper comparison is by per capita, relative frequency & severity of weapon/ammo. With approx. 3 million firearms in UK, there just isn't the threat that exists in America with 100 times that (note 3 million is approx. the same amount or firearms in all of Switzerland with ~8 million peeps, UK ~60mill.)
..I'm surprised tho, 20 rd mags: Brand New Bora Barak BR99 Box Fed Shotguns.. These tactical shotguns .. £499.00 they include 2 five rd magazines (20 round mags available for £39.50 each).. www.gunstar.co.uk/bora-barak-br99-12-bore-gauge-shotgun-for-sale-in-west-susse/Shotguns/687652#OCCMVy3hAKPhsmHC.99
.. waita minute on the UK 20 rd mags, they're 'may issue' policy: wiki, UK: Shotguns Single-barrelled, double-barrelled shotguns, or those with a lever-action or, pump-action, or semi-automatic and fixed magazine capacity of no more than three (2 in the magazine and one in the chamber) cartridges are permitted on a Shotgun Certificate. Shotguns with a detachable magazine or larger fixed magazine are permitted on a Section 1 Firearms Certificate. Certain types of shotgun ammunition, such as rifled slugs and larger shot sizes can only be bought following the grant of an FAC (firearms certificate). >>> To obtain a firearm certificate, the police must be satisfied that a person has "good reason" to own each firearm, and that they can be trusted with it "without danger to the public safety or to the peace". Under Home Office guidelines, firearms certificates are only issued if a person has legitimate sporting, collecting, or work-related reasons for ownership. Since 1968, self-defence has not been considered a valid reason to own a firearm.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_United_Kingdom#Shotguns
ezra: if you think rifle ownership has dropped, you are smoking something. Look at the BATFE rifle sales stats from 1994 to present, and the shotgun/rifle ratio in particular.. the hard sales figures don't lie.
The hard sales figures don't reflect personal or household gun ownership rates; What has transpired regarding guns as a whole is that more existing gun owners are buying more guns, as reflected by a recent stat I saw where guns per American has risen from ~5 up to 6.5 or so - like the 20/80 rule where fans are 20% of the people & buy 80% of the fetish. Gun ownership rates have indeed gone down. Dunno why rifles would be immune to the 'hoarding', maybe 100 million?: