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benEzra

(12,148 posts)
50. That's a pretty obvious scam, unless it's a BATFE sting.
Sat Nov 1, 2014, 10:10 AM
Nov 2014
"They sell it in kit form and it is legal because you have to make one final bend in one of the pieces of metal. Once you do that, you better keep one of them hidden."

That seems to me to be a pretty obvious scam, unless it's a BATFE sting. Under BATFE "constructive possession" rules, possession of that kit, if it worked as advertised, would constitute possession of an unregistered machinegun (10-year Federal felony) since the resulting collection of parts would be "readily restorable to full auto" under the NFA as defined by the BATFE, and would hence fall under Title II of the law. It doesn't matter if some trivial operation is left uncompleted; it would be just as illegal as a semiauto that fires from an open bolt, and for exactly the same reason.

So the only reasons I see that it's still in operation are (1) it doesn't work, but nobody can complain that it doesn't work because then they'd have to admit to attempting a 10-year Federal felony, or (2) it does work but the BATFE is on it. Otherwise, call your local BATFE office and have them shut it down under the National Firearms Act.

BTW, you said "with a file" in your previous post. That was referencing filing down the sear on a pre-1986 open-bolt semiauto, and all of those were reclassified as Title II restricted machineguns under in 1986.

benEzra: "I think the idea that 'the only reason a civilian needs an accurate .22-caliber rifle is to go to war against the gubmint' is hilarious."

jimmytheone: "I wrote 'about the only time'"

OK, so you think "about the only reason a civilian needs an accurate .22-caliber rifle is to go to war against the government."

So, in your view, accuracy is almost never a prerequisite for shooting 1.9" circles at 200+ yards or 6" circles at 600 yards, and in your view accuracy is almost never a prerequisite for humanely shooting small animals at long range.

What do *you* do when target shooting with inaccurate rifles, then...do you use the Force to guide your bullets? Whereas we non-Jedi have to, you know, aim them, and the achievable group size regardless of ammo choice can never be smaller than the random error introduced by the rifle itself.

In other words, for serious target shooting or humane small-game hunting, accuracy is not optional, it is mandatory. You can make noise with anything, but to hit things you'll need something accurate.

FWIW, I'm wrapping up here so I can take my GF's son, cousins, and my daughter to the range. We'll be shooting a couple of 9mm S&W pistols (evil semiautos, ya know), my civilian AR (evil semiauto), a Remington .22 squirrel rifle (another evil semiauto), and an actual weapon of war, the only bolt-action I currently own. The latter has a 109-year-old receiver and a 72-year-old barrel, and will shoot a playing card at 200 yards, too.
I was out back mending fences the other day and gave this a lot of thought. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #1
"If Michael Zehaf Bibeau had wanted to kill more people, he could have found a different gun" Electric Monk Oct 2014 #6
The suicide by police part was inevitable, he must have known that. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #8
there is no reason he couldn't have gotten one gejohnston Oct 2014 #2
You can sneak anything into Canada. This OP is just another limp attempt to make a case. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #3
Didn't a noted U.S. Senator refer to the .30-30 as a "cop killer" bullet? Eleanors38 Oct 2014 #4
Yes, and "armor piercing", since it will penetrate body armor benEzra Oct 2014 #7
Not as slow firing as they imply, but slower loading. benEzra Oct 2014 #5
Ok, now compare and contrast with this Electric Monk Oct 2014 #11
So what? The AR platform is too widespread to ban now... friendly_iconoclast Oct 2014 #12
so why didn't he use any of these gejohnston Oct 2014 #13
Or one of these: benEzra Oct 2014 #15
I shoot competitively with a Rock River AR-15, benEzra Oct 2014 #14
I agree, your points are moot jimmy the one Oct 2014 #16
You tell 'em, jimmy! Broadsides full of cultural warfare have helped to make gun control... friendly_iconoclast Oct 2014 #19
Thoughts... benEzra Oct 2014 #23
Well said, but you are citing facts to a culture warrior. Feelings are more important to them friendly_iconoclast Oct 2014 #25
True, but typing is therapeutic...helps alleviate chronic facepalming. benEzra Oct 2014 #27
you win a kewpie doll jimmy the one Oct 2014 #28
How thoughtful of you to proclaim what others' true needs are friendly_iconoclast Oct 2014 #31
Keep your kewpie doll, and I'll keep my AR, thanks. benEzra Oct 2014 #32
Wow. blueridge3210 Oct 2014 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author DonP Oct 2014 #35
Good to have you back Ben DonP Oct 2014 #36
It's good to be back! Had some life events that took priority for a while, but all is good. (n/t) benEzra Oct 2014 #37
good to see you discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2014 #38
peruse jeremiah johnson's wound ballistics jimmy the one Oct 2014 #41
I did. First, the birdshot/buckshot/hollowpoint question. benEzra Oct 2014 #45
iwba jimmy the one Oct 2014 #46
More thoughts... benEzra Nov 2014 #49
tyrannical gubmint as defined by nra jimmy the one Oct 2014 #47
That's a pretty obvious scam, unless it's a BATFE sting. benEzra Nov 2014 #50
74% on the plus side, the unfake side jimmy the one Nov 2014 #56
So how inaccurate do civilian rifles need to be to be allowed? benEzra Nov 2014 #57
"The "conversion to full auto" canard is a red herring to cover for your real agenda". Indeed friendly_iconoclast Nov 2014 #58
Not much different from "Louisiana bars Ebola researchers from conference" friendly_iconoclast Nov 2014 #59
I don't smoke jimmy the one Oct 2014 #42
one of your sidekicks did a preemptive debunking gejohnston Oct 2014 #44
Speaking of accuracy, in the video you posted (#5) they are often only just hitting the pond. nt Electric Monk Oct 2014 #22
Quite so. But they can reacquire the sights during cycling, benEzra Oct 2014 #24
Curtis Rutt is an idiot. Straw Man Oct 2014 #9
I graduated from a lever action to a semi auto in 1984. ileus Oct 2014 #10
parliamentary lock box jimmy the one Oct 2014 #17
actually, it doesn't gejohnston Oct 2014 #18
learn what 'actually' means jimmy the one Oct 2014 #20
Canadian laws have nothing to do with it gejohnston Oct 2014 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author friendly_iconoclast Oct 2014 #26
fact check your own links jimmy the one Oct 2014 #29
actually, I did check my facts gejohnston Oct 2014 #30
j wants hair of the dog jimmy the one Oct 2014 #40
That bullshit is not even gejohnston Oct 2014 #43
With all this "foaming" and "range orgasms," I've been missing out... Eleanors38 Oct 2014 #33
I feel left out - didn't see any orgasms at the range Saturday DonP Oct 2014 #39
I went to the range today, and didn't see any orgasms either. benEzra Nov 2014 #53
Must be a lack of "imagination" on our part DonP Nov 2014 #54
mo on big o jimmy the one Nov 2014 #66
Coiuld you be any less relevant to either the discussion or the issue if you tried? DonP Nov 2014 #67
most sailors are gunless jimmy the one Nov 2014 #60
The Remington 700 and Winchester Model 70 deer rifles... benEzra Nov 2014 #61
Curious on what the excuse to ban this will be Duckhunter935 Nov 2014 #62
Hmm... Straw Man Nov 2014 #63
The only way to ban it would be to ban all detachable-magazine semiautos... benEzra Nov 2014 #64
what endorsements? jimmy the one Nov 2014 #65
Yup, just like ALL small-caliber autoloading rifles and ALL full-sized pistols. benEzra Nov 2014 #69
3% milk jimmy the one Nov 2014 #73
Specifically, 19 *names* were affected that could no longer be used in marketing. benEzra Nov 2014 #75
m16 & ak47 comparison jimmy the one Nov 2014 #68
Ummm, expansion/fragmentation is what keeps rounds from overpenetrating and killing your neighbors. benEzra Nov 2014 #70
on fragments jimmy the one Nov 2014 #71
our mutual friend jimmy the one Nov 2014 #72
Why are you so hung up on military FMJ? We are talking about CIVILIAN JACKETED HOLLOWPOINTS. benEzra Nov 2014 #74
It's a 1 way trip for most everyone who goes on a shooting spree. Kaleva Oct 2014 #48
Some news reports said he loosed off 50 rounds. CJCRANE Nov 2014 #51
Which, FOX? CBC reported he shot 3 at the War Memorial, and up to 4 inside the building. 7 total. nt Electric Monk Nov 2014 #52
Thanks for the info. I can't remember. It was probably an early report CJCRANE Nov 2014 #55
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