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In reply to the discussion: Ottawa gunman launched attack with slow-loading, John Wayne-style rifle: experts [View all]jimmy the one
(2,708 posts)60. most sailors are gunless
We're talking about the most popular non-automatic civilian rifles in U.S. homes, and you know it. Specifically civilian centerfire .22's like the AR and Mini-14, in the hands of civilian homeowners, target shooters, and small game hunters, not military weapons.
Not technically military weapons, but the full auto m16 was patterned after the AR15;
ezra: And if you were really former military, you'd know that asymmetric long-range engagements in a military or paramilitary context would use sniper rifles like the M24 or M40, not the M4.
If you were military familiar you'd know the navy does not emphasize riflery nor especially firearm operations/maneuvers as the army & m/c do, I didn't even shoot a rifle in boot camp (but only since I was on a truncated 3 wk boot rather than 3 mos - we only drilled with empty m1 garands (I thinks)); we swab decks & guzzle rum on the high seas, firearms more a danger. I never carried a loaded or unloaded firearm on active dutes, it was ~10 yrs later in active reserves I qual'd. The ships I was on only a few sailors were allowed to carry handguns on watch, mainly quarterdeck when docked & I guess gunners-mate guarding 5" guided projectiles (dd's, de's) &, on fast frigates, sams. Asea I think most always nobody carried a firearm.
ezra: The "conversion to full auto" canard is a red herring to cover for your real agenda, e.g. to ban the most popular autoloading rifles in U.S. homes.
I think they are banned in 7 states where over 25% of americans live (~80 million people generally cannot own asslt rifles).
And you have yet to provide a (reputable please) link contending that ARs are the most popular Home defense firearm, or did you say rifle. This gunguy makes some of my points: Nothing can compare to the 12ga at close range. Even birdshot will tear a human to shreds. You dont lose much with a 20 ga at close range either,...
.... tho he does contend carbines are best suited for HD, he doesnt' care that much for the ar: what is the best home defense gun? A rifle carbine; .. {6th place} AR Platforms . the Black Rifle, the hottest selling thing since {Bill Clinton}... prices range from $650.. If you have one, tell us what you like, what you dont and what you probably should have bought instead, for the benefit of our shooting community. http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/15/6-home-defense-carbines-5-are-not-ars/
ezra: It's not illegal full-autos you're after, and it's not M4gerys in the hands of some tiny fringe minority posing for the media in the woods. It's people like me, and the rifle in my gun safe, that you are after.
If it's an assault rifle in your safe, to all of the above I would say generally yes, as being more of a hazard to communities, when other less potent firearms are available to satiate gun mongering.
Not technically military weapons, but the full auto m16 was patterned after the AR15;
ezra: And if you were really former military, you'd know that asymmetric long-range engagements in a military or paramilitary context would use sniper rifles like the M24 or M40, not the M4.
If you were military familiar you'd know the navy does not emphasize riflery nor especially firearm operations/maneuvers as the army & m/c do, I didn't even shoot a rifle in boot camp (but only since I was on a truncated 3 wk boot rather than 3 mos - we only drilled with empty m1 garands (I thinks)); we swab decks & guzzle rum on the high seas, firearms more a danger. I never carried a loaded or unloaded firearm on active dutes, it was ~10 yrs later in active reserves I qual'd. The ships I was on only a few sailors were allowed to carry handguns on watch, mainly quarterdeck when docked & I guess gunners-mate guarding 5" guided projectiles (dd's, de's) &, on fast frigates, sams. Asea I think most always nobody carried a firearm.
ezra: The "conversion to full auto" canard is a red herring to cover for your real agenda, e.g. to ban the most popular autoloading rifles in U.S. homes.
I think they are banned in 7 states where over 25% of americans live (~80 million people generally cannot own asslt rifles).
And you have yet to provide a (reputable please) link contending that ARs are the most popular Home defense firearm, or did you say rifle. This gunguy makes some of my points: Nothing can compare to the 12ga at close range. Even birdshot will tear a human to shreds. You dont lose much with a 20 ga at close range either,...
.... tho he does contend carbines are best suited for HD, he doesnt' care that much for the ar: what is the best home defense gun? A rifle carbine; .. {6th place} AR Platforms . the Black Rifle, the hottest selling thing since {Bill Clinton}... prices range from $650.. If you have one, tell us what you like, what you dont and what you probably should have bought instead, for the benefit of our shooting community. http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/15/6-home-defense-carbines-5-are-not-ars/
ezra: It's not illegal full-autos you're after, and it's not M4gerys in the hands of some tiny fringe minority posing for the media in the woods. It's people like me, and the rifle in my gun safe, that you are after.
If it's an assault rifle in your safe, to all of the above I would say generally yes, as being more of a hazard to communities, when other less potent firearms are available to satiate gun mongering.
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Ottawa gunman launched attack with slow-loading, John Wayne-style rifle: experts [View all]
Electric Monk
Oct 2014
OP
"If Michael Zehaf Bibeau had wanted to kill more people, he could have found a different gun"
Electric Monk
Oct 2014
#6
You can sneak anything into Canada. This OP is just another limp attempt to make a case.
NYC_SKP
Oct 2014
#3
You tell 'em, jimmy! Broadsides full of cultural warfare have helped to make gun control...
friendly_iconoclast
Oct 2014
#19
Well said, but you are citing facts to a culture warrior. Feelings are more important to them
friendly_iconoclast
Oct 2014
#25
It's good to be back! Had some life events that took priority for a while, but all is good. (n/t)
benEzra
Oct 2014
#37
"The "conversion to full auto" canard is a red herring to cover for your real agenda". Indeed
friendly_iconoclast
Nov 2014
#58
Not much different from "Louisiana bars Ebola researchers from conference"
friendly_iconoclast
Nov 2014
#59
Speaking of accuracy, in the video you posted (#5) they are often only just hitting the pond. nt
Electric Monk
Oct 2014
#22
Coiuld you be any less relevant to either the discussion or the issue if you tried?
DonP
Nov 2014
#67
Yup, just like ALL small-caliber autoloading rifles and ALL full-sized pistols.
benEzra
Nov 2014
#69
Specifically, 19 *names* were affected that could no longer be used in marketing.
benEzra
Nov 2014
#75
Ummm, expansion/fragmentation is what keeps rounds from overpenetrating and killing your neighbors.
benEzra
Nov 2014
#70
Why are you so hung up on military FMJ? We are talking about CIVILIAN JACKETED HOLLOWPOINTS.
benEzra
Nov 2014
#74
Which, FOX? CBC reported he shot 3 at the War Memorial, and up to 4 inside the building. 7 total. nt
Electric Monk
Nov 2014
#52