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NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
7. Hoisted by their own petard.
Sat Nov 29, 2014, 02:03 PM
Nov 2014

The OP question is one that fails to launch, took a sort of shotgun approach!

Is shooting blanks, went off half-cocked, or was shooting from the hip, but I'm loaded for bear and they're looking down the barrel of my reason rifle.

Argumentatively speaking, I'm keeping my powder dry, but am loaded for bear.

I got 'em in the cross hairs of logic and they might get the whole nine yards because this ain't my first showdown!

What am I missing by way of metaphor?

What are gun owners afraid of? [View all] NoJusticeNoPeace Nov 2014 OP
I don't own guns for self defense - I live in a safe town hack89 Nov 2014 #1
Hoisted by their own petard. NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #7
That would be...humor? Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #10
No. For humor see reply #9. NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #12
I wish I'd posted this old clipping when this OP was fresh: NYC_SKP Dec 2014 #181
^^^ +skaety six mogzillion discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2014 #182
Not having a gun. [n/t] Maedhros Nov 2014 #2
...to finish the thought....not having a gun reduces your odds of dying. Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #11
Actually, no. But that's OK, I know the only talking points y'all have are hollow and unproven. NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #15
Odds. Straw Man Nov 2014 #32
Death does not scare me. "I am the captain of my soul, I am the master of my fate." acalix Nov 2014 #112
caption of ..... samsingh Nov 2014 #128
Agnostic, actually. acalix Nov 2014 #137
The gun owners of my past and present acquaintance are neither more nor less petronius Nov 2014 #3
Never Owned A Firearm - I Do Not Live In Fear cantbeserious Nov 2014 #4
I'm surrounded by people who own firearms. kioa Nov 2014 #16
I Support Gun Control Because Of Others That Do Live In Fear Of Gun Owners And Their Guns cantbeserious Nov 2014 #20
What other rights should be taken from innocent people because of other's unreasonable fears? kioa Nov 2014 #50
Why should I be forced to live around people who own guns louis-t Nov 2014 #56
You're not. kioa Nov 2014 #59
I hate to tell you this but... discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2014 #75
Why should I be forced to live around smokers, or drunkards, or drug addicts? acalix Nov 2014 #113
how many people where you live backwoodsbob Nov 2014 #132
The So Called Right Is A Red Herring Argument - One Of Logical Fallacies cantbeserious Nov 2014 #62
It is a right. kioa Nov 2014 #63
Maintaining A Well Regulated Militia Is The So Called Right - Always Duly Forgotten cantbeserious Nov 2014 #64
"right of the people" not "right of the milita" kioa Nov 2014 #67
The Right Of The People - Army - Air Force - Navy - Marines - All Well Regulated cantbeserious Nov 2014 #69
Starship Troopers wasn't a documentary. kioa Nov 2014 #72
Simple english, really...... paleotn Nov 2014 #76
Yes - Spot On cantbeserious Nov 2014 #79
It is simple English. kioa Nov 2014 #86
Then apparently you cannot understand simple English.... paleotn Nov 2014 #96
The militia consists of the organized and unorganized militia. Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #164
To make sure the NRA could sell hundreds of millions of guns, the 2nd amendment NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #179
The NRA doesn't sell guns anymore than environmental groups sell solar panels. Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #184
NRA exists to make sure their corp supporters can sell guns, this isnt even controversial NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #185
The NRA's single biggest source of income is membership dues ($100,500,000) kioa Dec 2014 #186
LOL tool of the one percent LOLOLOLOLOL NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #187
Bloomberg speaks. You obey. kioa Dec 2014 #188
Yes simple English discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2014 #183
The Government - The Military - Is The People - Operating A Well Regulated Militia cantbeserious Nov 2014 #77
Nowhere does it say that a person needs to be in a militia. kioa Nov 2014 #87
The Government - The Military - Is The People??? sarisataka Nov 2014 #89
Crazy idea, right? NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #107
By such standard sarisataka Nov 2014 #110
And corporations are people too? Nt hack89 Nov 2014 #121
Lordy, you couldn't be more wrong. That's bass-ackwards! NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #80
SCOTUS - Gave Us Citizens United - No Institution Is Infallible - Even On The Second Amendment cantbeserious Nov 2014 #82
Argue with the text...not with me.... paleotn Nov 2014 #84
So...the 2nd was written to allow the govt to arm itself?! kioa Nov 2014 #90
The Government Is The People - The Declaration Of Independence Provides Guidance cantbeserious Nov 2014 #94
So only the govt has the right to a free press, religion or speech. kioa Nov 2014 #95
Those Rights Are Granted To The People By The Government They Control - One And The Same Entities cantbeserious Nov 2014 #97
Not even kind of. kioa Nov 2014 #101
Oh, wow: "Those rights are granted by the government." Eleanors38 Nov 2014 #144
If you think the people have practical control over the government you Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #165
Are you really this stupid or is this a joke? paleotn Nov 2014 #99
I'm sorry, son. kioa Nov 2014 #105
You're terribly wrong.... paleotn Nov 2014 #106
No? kioa Nov 2014 #109
I'm old enough to possibly be your grandfather.... paleotn Nov 2014 #135
I recommend you get rid of the mirrors in your home in that case. kioa Nov 2014 #138
I Am Not Arguing - Two People See Different Things In The Same Words cantbeserious Nov 2014 #92
You are entirled to your own opinion. You don't get to have your own facts kioa Nov 2014 #98
You Are Entitled To Your Own Facts And Opinions However Flawed They May Be In The Eyes Of Others cantbeserious Nov 2014 #100
For those with difficulties in reading comprehension.... paleotn Nov 2014 #103
The bolder part says Militia is necessary for a free state. kioa Nov 2014 #111
Reading comprehension. Straw Man Nov 2014 #116
Another anti-gun type... beevul Nov 2014 #126
The part you keep ignoring is the fact that a militia cannot exist unless the people are free to Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #166
The Supreme Court, sarisataka Nov 2014 #65
Well Of Course - We Are Debating Opinions - Here At DU cantbeserious Nov 2014 #70
If it's all the same to you sarisataka Nov 2014 #73
Ah Yes - Remember That SCOTUS - Gave Us Citizens United - No Institution Is Infallible cantbeserious Nov 2014 #78
I also include sarisataka Nov 2014 #83
Obama Has Proven To Be A Defender Of The Status Quo On Many Topics - This One Included cantbeserious Nov 2014 #91
Yes they're all wrong because they don't understand "guns kill people" ileus Nov 2014 #118
What do guns have to do with who marries who? stone space Nov 2014 #120
We're talking about the individual rights of innocent people. kioa Nov 2014 #122
Marriage is not a deadly weapon. stone space Nov 2014 #124
I find comparing rights to....ya know....rights to be very apt. kioa Nov 2014 #125
Marriage is not a deadly weapon. (nt) stone space Nov 2014 #155
Marriage plays a part in a third of murders. kioa Nov 2014 #156
Again, marriage is not a deadly weapon. (nt) stone space Nov 2014 #157
Never mind the fact that marriage plays a part in a third of murders... kioa Nov 2014 #159
Marriage equality kills. (nt) stone space Nov 2014 #160
Looks like you need to ban it...... kioa Nov 2014 #161
It's your claim, not mine. (nt) stone space Dec 2014 #162
"Marriage is not a deadly weapon." Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #167
Fail. Try again. What makes you conclude from the outset that fear is in play? NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #5
hmm, a lot of the ones I know are in the sleepiest, gated-est suburbs MisterP Nov 2014 #6
Well. That was -- illuminating; but probably not in the way you had hoped. nt Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #168
Not about fear, history. harun Nov 2014 #8
They are scared of Michael Browns.....and ISIS and Obama's gulags. To name a few, Fox has a list. Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #9
Didnt get a single one of them to admit it, did I...stunning NoJusticeNoPeace Nov 2014 #21
We are. Your attempts at mind reading has failed. kioa Nov 2014 #52
so you are saying we are lying Duckhunter935 Nov 2014 #53
No, you are right, not ONE PERSON who owns a gun on DU owns that gun for self NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #176
Post # 51 sarisataka Dec 2014 #177
But you got them swarming with their swarmy deflections and lame justifications, there is that. Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #173
Michael Brown was unarmed and shot by the police you want to enforce gun control. Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #169
Centipedes sarisataka Nov 2014 #13
And bears. And, of course, clowns. (warning, graphic pic) NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #14
Clown bears are the scariest Duckhunter935 Nov 2014 #18
Pleasant dreams... sarisataka Nov 2014 #22
noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Duckhunter935 Nov 2014 #24
I know many gun owners. They don't own guns because of fear. kioa Nov 2014 #17
I know many gun owners. They do own them out of fear. And paranoia. And the power...man, the power. Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #57
Oh? How unfortunate for you. kioa Nov 2014 #60
Your laughable love of guns and hilariously silly comparisons marks you for what you are. Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #61
It marks me as someone who respects others rights & whose viewpoints doesn't get kioa Nov 2014 #66
You do not respect the right of innocents not to die by gun violence, that is not respect, that is denial. Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #68
Of course I do. kioa Nov 2014 #71
Nothing Duckhunter935 Nov 2014 #19
Got it, so nobody here who owns a gun does so for self protection? NoJusticeNoPeace Nov 2014 #23
A weapon can be used for that purpose Duckhunter935 Nov 2014 #25
You better watch out for those assault first aid kits and branford Nov 2014 #114
There is nobody to be scared of where I live hack89 Nov 2014 #33
I do! I do! But I'm not scared, partly because I am armed... Eleanors38 Nov 2014 #153
Yeah. All those women who carry a gun for protection are just lying about rapists and stalkers. Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #170
Ah, the assumption that anyone who chooses differently than you benEzra Nov 2014 #26
So you dont own guns for self defense, OK NoJusticeNoPeace Nov 2014 #27
Wow Duckhunter935 Nov 2014 #29
Wow, still not a single one of you willing to admit you own guns for self defense NoJusticeNoPeace Nov 2014 #30
Why is fear the only reason to own a gun? hack89 Nov 2014 #34
what are you afraid to ask another question? Duckhunter935 Nov 2014 #36
I am not afraid to ask it, but the fact is many gun owners own guns for a couple of reasons, NoJusticeNoPeace Nov 2014 #39
Why did you bring that fact up about the question Duckhunter935 Nov 2014 #41
I just did, but since you refuse to acknowledge that one of the reasons you own guns is for NoJusticeNoPeace Nov 2014 #42
I do not refuse to acknowledge Duckhunter935 Nov 2014 #46
Are you trying to bait gun owners? NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #44
I think so Duckhunter935 Nov 2014 #47
Of course he's try to bait gun owners. blueridge3210 Nov 2014 #48
"Smart" guns and rubber bullets aren't able to harm someone? branford Nov 2014 #115
I do own guns for self-defense, yes. But not because I'm afraid. benEzra Nov 2014 #119
What are they afraid of.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #28
Exactly...couldnt have said it better myself. NoJusticeNoPeace Nov 2014 #31
I have seeen feer mentioned in one post and Duckhunter935 Nov 2014 #37
Really? hack89 Nov 2014 #35
No need to get so defensive, did I say the ONLY reason is fear? NoJusticeNoPeace Nov 2014 #38
You seem to think so Duckhunter935 Nov 2014 #40
So you admit that fear is simply one of many valid reasons to own guns hack89 Nov 2014 #45
I'm guessing... discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2014 #43
Have you seen Ferguson? We minorities would do well to be armed. NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #49
Does the name Otis MacDonald ring a bell? Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #171
Let's see if you really have an open mind sarisataka Nov 2014 #51
So question asked and answered sarisataka Nov 2014 #55
You are the True Scotsman then.... paleotn Nov 2014 #81
I wouldn't mind sarisataka Nov 2014 #85
The structure is fine & the intent is clear. kioa Nov 2014 #93
The structure is fine & the intent is clear..... paleotn Nov 2014 #104
Morons with an inability to understand basic English has always been with us kioa Nov 2014 #108
I am the "moron" wife of this "Well Regulated Militia" HockeyMom Nov 2014 #139
Thank you for the personal story. kioa Nov 2014 #140
You didn't answer me HockeyMom Nov 2014 #142
That's correct. You aren't on my side. kioa Nov 2014 #148
Me ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #54
I have heard a couple lately that think the unrest in Ferguson will doc03 Nov 2014 #58
Nothing....you of course meant: What are gun owners prepared for. ileus Nov 2014 #74
Not afraid of anything really.... paleotn Nov 2014 #88
Well your tractor is silly to me. Socal31 Nov 2014 #117
I've nver heard of someone... paleotn Nov 2014 #129
And the whale has never seen Nebraska. But it still exists. Socal31 Nov 2014 #131
Tractors are meant for cutting hay.... paleotn Nov 2014 #134
That's even worse! Socal31 Nov 2014 #136
"None of my firearms are considered assault weapons by anyone's definition..." beevul Nov 2014 #127
If you're planning on murdering a bunch of 6 year olds,.... paleotn Nov 2014 #133
"Bolt action and single shot firearms are all I need." friendly_iconoclast Nov 2014 #149
The assassin of King used a Rem 260 pump .30 06... Eleanors38 Nov 2014 #158
You didn't answer the question. beevul Nov 2014 #151
Specifically the people who invade occupied dwellings. Socal31 Nov 2014 #102
Nothing. NT pablo_marmol Nov 2014 #123
more than anything backwoodsbob Nov 2014 #130
They watch crime shows on TV and think the world is more dangerous than it is. Warpy Nov 2014 #141
Excellent response, your 4th paragraph especially LOL NoJusticeNoPeace Nov 2014 #143
The problem with "sensible" gun control is the phrase "it's a good start" hack89 Nov 2014 #145
Sandy Hook. Warpy Nov 2014 #146
CT had an AWB and registration hack89 Nov 2014 #147
"I'll be pretty clear on this sarisataka Nov 2014 #150
They will not answer Duckhunter935 Nov 2014 #154
"My house has been burglarized twice, but that's all." Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #172
Pretending your contrary interpretation of the 2nd is the true meaning... Socal31 Nov 2014 #152
Speaking just for myself, I'm not afraid of anything you think I am. pablo_marmol Dec 2014 #163
If you fear a stroke I highly suggest you NOT read the 2nd amendment, cant be any clearer NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #175
Drop Bears. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #174
self defense is baloney tuhaybey Dec 2014 #178
I "like playing gun". Why don't you like playing gun? NYC_SKP Dec 2014 #180
Just to clarify.... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2014 #189
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