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benEzra

(12,148 posts)
119. I do own guns for self-defense, yes. But not because I'm afraid.
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 09:33 AM
Nov 2014

I also shoot competitively with the same guns.

Do you think everyone who puts on a gi and studies practical martial arts for years does so solely, or even primarily, out of raw irrational fear? If so, why?

I get that you don't like guns and don't choose to own them. It's a free country, and I 100% support your choice. I happen to choose differently. That doesn't make me less rational, or less human, than you.

What are gun owners afraid of? [View all] NoJusticeNoPeace Nov 2014 OP
I don't own guns for self defense - I live in a safe town hack89 Nov 2014 #1
Hoisted by their own petard. NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #7
That would be...humor? Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #10
No. For humor see reply #9. NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #12
I wish I'd posted this old clipping when this OP was fresh: NYC_SKP Dec 2014 #181
^^^ +skaety six mogzillion discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2014 #182
Not having a gun. [n/t] Maedhros Nov 2014 #2
...to finish the thought....not having a gun reduces your odds of dying. Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #11
Actually, no. But that's OK, I know the only talking points y'all have are hollow and unproven. NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #15
Odds. Straw Man Nov 2014 #32
Death does not scare me. "I am the captain of my soul, I am the master of my fate." acalix Nov 2014 #112
caption of ..... samsingh Nov 2014 #128
Agnostic, actually. acalix Nov 2014 #137
The gun owners of my past and present acquaintance are neither more nor less petronius Nov 2014 #3
Never Owned A Firearm - I Do Not Live In Fear cantbeserious Nov 2014 #4
I'm surrounded by people who own firearms. kioa Nov 2014 #16
I Support Gun Control Because Of Others That Do Live In Fear Of Gun Owners And Their Guns cantbeserious Nov 2014 #20
What other rights should be taken from innocent people because of other's unreasonable fears? kioa Nov 2014 #50
Why should I be forced to live around people who own guns louis-t Nov 2014 #56
You're not. kioa Nov 2014 #59
I hate to tell you this but... discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2014 #75
Why should I be forced to live around smokers, or drunkards, or drug addicts? acalix Nov 2014 #113
how many people where you live backwoodsbob Nov 2014 #132
The So Called Right Is A Red Herring Argument - One Of Logical Fallacies cantbeserious Nov 2014 #62
It is a right. kioa Nov 2014 #63
Maintaining A Well Regulated Militia Is The So Called Right - Always Duly Forgotten cantbeserious Nov 2014 #64
"right of the people" not "right of the milita" kioa Nov 2014 #67
The Right Of The People - Army - Air Force - Navy - Marines - All Well Regulated cantbeserious Nov 2014 #69
Starship Troopers wasn't a documentary. kioa Nov 2014 #72
Simple english, really...... paleotn Nov 2014 #76
Yes - Spot On cantbeserious Nov 2014 #79
It is simple English. kioa Nov 2014 #86
Then apparently you cannot understand simple English.... paleotn Nov 2014 #96
The militia consists of the organized and unorganized militia. Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #164
To make sure the NRA could sell hundreds of millions of guns, the 2nd amendment NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #179
The NRA doesn't sell guns anymore than environmental groups sell solar panels. Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #184
NRA exists to make sure their corp supporters can sell guns, this isnt even controversial NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #185
The NRA's single biggest source of income is membership dues ($100,500,000) kioa Dec 2014 #186
LOL tool of the one percent LOLOLOLOLOL NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #187
Bloomberg speaks. You obey. kioa Dec 2014 #188
Yes simple English discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2014 #183
The Government - The Military - Is The People - Operating A Well Regulated Militia cantbeserious Nov 2014 #77
Nowhere does it say that a person needs to be in a militia. kioa Nov 2014 #87
The Government - The Military - Is The People??? sarisataka Nov 2014 #89
Crazy idea, right? NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #107
By such standard sarisataka Nov 2014 #110
And corporations are people too? Nt hack89 Nov 2014 #121
Lordy, you couldn't be more wrong. That's bass-ackwards! NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #80
SCOTUS - Gave Us Citizens United - No Institution Is Infallible - Even On The Second Amendment cantbeserious Nov 2014 #82
Argue with the text...not with me.... paleotn Nov 2014 #84
So...the 2nd was written to allow the govt to arm itself?! kioa Nov 2014 #90
The Government Is The People - The Declaration Of Independence Provides Guidance cantbeserious Nov 2014 #94
So only the govt has the right to a free press, religion or speech. kioa Nov 2014 #95
Those Rights Are Granted To The People By The Government They Control - One And The Same Entities cantbeserious Nov 2014 #97
Not even kind of. kioa Nov 2014 #101
Oh, wow: "Those rights are granted by the government." Eleanors38 Nov 2014 #144
If you think the people have practical control over the government you Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #165
Are you really this stupid or is this a joke? paleotn Nov 2014 #99
I'm sorry, son. kioa Nov 2014 #105
You're terribly wrong.... paleotn Nov 2014 #106
No? kioa Nov 2014 #109
I'm old enough to possibly be your grandfather.... paleotn Nov 2014 #135
I recommend you get rid of the mirrors in your home in that case. kioa Nov 2014 #138
I Am Not Arguing - Two People See Different Things In The Same Words cantbeserious Nov 2014 #92
You are entirled to your own opinion. You don't get to have your own facts kioa Nov 2014 #98
You Are Entitled To Your Own Facts And Opinions However Flawed They May Be In The Eyes Of Others cantbeserious Nov 2014 #100
For those with difficulties in reading comprehension.... paleotn Nov 2014 #103
The bolder part says Militia is necessary for a free state. kioa Nov 2014 #111
Reading comprehension. Straw Man Nov 2014 #116
Another anti-gun type... beevul Nov 2014 #126
The part you keep ignoring is the fact that a militia cannot exist unless the people are free to Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #166
The Supreme Court, sarisataka Nov 2014 #65
Well Of Course - We Are Debating Opinions - Here At DU cantbeserious Nov 2014 #70
If it's all the same to you sarisataka Nov 2014 #73
Ah Yes - Remember That SCOTUS - Gave Us Citizens United - No Institution Is Infallible cantbeserious Nov 2014 #78
I also include sarisataka Nov 2014 #83
Obama Has Proven To Be A Defender Of The Status Quo On Many Topics - This One Included cantbeserious Nov 2014 #91
Yes they're all wrong because they don't understand "guns kill people" ileus Nov 2014 #118
What do guns have to do with who marries who? stone space Nov 2014 #120
We're talking about the individual rights of innocent people. kioa Nov 2014 #122
Marriage is not a deadly weapon. stone space Nov 2014 #124
I find comparing rights to....ya know....rights to be very apt. kioa Nov 2014 #125
Marriage is not a deadly weapon. (nt) stone space Nov 2014 #155
Marriage plays a part in a third of murders. kioa Nov 2014 #156
Again, marriage is not a deadly weapon. (nt) stone space Nov 2014 #157
Never mind the fact that marriage plays a part in a third of murders... kioa Nov 2014 #159
Marriage equality kills. (nt) stone space Nov 2014 #160
Looks like you need to ban it...... kioa Nov 2014 #161
It's your claim, not mine. (nt) stone space Dec 2014 #162
"Marriage is not a deadly weapon." Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #167
Fail. Try again. What makes you conclude from the outset that fear is in play? NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #5
hmm, a lot of the ones I know are in the sleepiest, gated-est suburbs MisterP Nov 2014 #6
Well. That was -- illuminating; but probably not in the way you had hoped. nt Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #168
Not about fear, history. harun Nov 2014 #8
They are scared of Michael Browns.....and ISIS and Obama's gulags. To name a few, Fox has a list. Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #9
Didnt get a single one of them to admit it, did I...stunning NoJusticeNoPeace Nov 2014 #21
We are. Your attempts at mind reading has failed. kioa Nov 2014 #52
so you are saying we are lying Duckhunter935 Nov 2014 #53
No, you are right, not ONE PERSON who owns a gun on DU owns that gun for self NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #176
Post # 51 sarisataka Dec 2014 #177
But you got them swarming with their swarmy deflections and lame justifications, there is that. Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #173
Michael Brown was unarmed and shot by the police you want to enforce gun control. Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #169
Centipedes sarisataka Nov 2014 #13
And bears. And, of course, clowns. (warning, graphic pic) NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #14
Clown bears are the scariest Duckhunter935 Nov 2014 #18
Pleasant dreams... sarisataka Nov 2014 #22
noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Duckhunter935 Nov 2014 #24
I know many gun owners. They don't own guns because of fear. kioa Nov 2014 #17
I know many gun owners. They do own them out of fear. And paranoia. And the power...man, the power. Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #57
Oh? How unfortunate for you. kioa Nov 2014 #60
Your laughable love of guns and hilariously silly comparisons marks you for what you are. Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #61
It marks me as someone who respects others rights & whose viewpoints doesn't get kioa Nov 2014 #66
You do not respect the right of innocents not to die by gun violence, that is not respect, that is denial. Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #68
Of course I do. kioa Nov 2014 #71
Nothing Duckhunter935 Nov 2014 #19
Got it, so nobody here who owns a gun does so for self protection? NoJusticeNoPeace Nov 2014 #23
A weapon can be used for that purpose Duckhunter935 Nov 2014 #25
You better watch out for those assault first aid kits and branford Nov 2014 #114
There is nobody to be scared of where I live hack89 Nov 2014 #33
I do! I do! But I'm not scared, partly because I am armed... Eleanors38 Nov 2014 #153
Yeah. All those women who carry a gun for protection are just lying about rapists and stalkers. Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #170
Ah, the assumption that anyone who chooses differently than you benEzra Nov 2014 #26
So you dont own guns for self defense, OK NoJusticeNoPeace Nov 2014 #27
Wow Duckhunter935 Nov 2014 #29
Wow, still not a single one of you willing to admit you own guns for self defense NoJusticeNoPeace Nov 2014 #30
Why is fear the only reason to own a gun? hack89 Nov 2014 #34
what are you afraid to ask another question? Duckhunter935 Nov 2014 #36
I am not afraid to ask it, but the fact is many gun owners own guns for a couple of reasons, NoJusticeNoPeace Nov 2014 #39
Why did you bring that fact up about the question Duckhunter935 Nov 2014 #41
I just did, but since you refuse to acknowledge that one of the reasons you own guns is for NoJusticeNoPeace Nov 2014 #42
I do not refuse to acknowledge Duckhunter935 Nov 2014 #46
Are you trying to bait gun owners? NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #44
I think so Duckhunter935 Nov 2014 #47
Of course he's try to bait gun owners. blueridge3210 Nov 2014 #48
"Smart" guns and rubber bullets aren't able to harm someone? branford Nov 2014 #115
I do own guns for self-defense, yes. But not because I'm afraid. benEzra Nov 2014 #119
What are they afraid of.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #28
Exactly...couldnt have said it better myself. NoJusticeNoPeace Nov 2014 #31
I have seeen feer mentioned in one post and Duckhunter935 Nov 2014 #37
Really? hack89 Nov 2014 #35
No need to get so defensive, did I say the ONLY reason is fear? NoJusticeNoPeace Nov 2014 #38
You seem to think so Duckhunter935 Nov 2014 #40
So you admit that fear is simply one of many valid reasons to own guns hack89 Nov 2014 #45
I'm guessing... discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2014 #43
Have you seen Ferguson? We minorities would do well to be armed. NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #49
Does the name Otis MacDonald ring a bell? Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #171
Let's see if you really have an open mind sarisataka Nov 2014 #51
So question asked and answered sarisataka Nov 2014 #55
You are the True Scotsman then.... paleotn Nov 2014 #81
I wouldn't mind sarisataka Nov 2014 #85
The structure is fine & the intent is clear. kioa Nov 2014 #93
The structure is fine & the intent is clear..... paleotn Nov 2014 #104
Morons with an inability to understand basic English has always been with us kioa Nov 2014 #108
I am the "moron" wife of this "Well Regulated Militia" HockeyMom Nov 2014 #139
Thank you for the personal story. kioa Nov 2014 #140
You didn't answer me HockeyMom Nov 2014 #142
That's correct. You aren't on my side. kioa Nov 2014 #148
Me ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #54
I have heard a couple lately that think the unrest in Ferguson will doc03 Nov 2014 #58
Nothing....you of course meant: What are gun owners prepared for. ileus Nov 2014 #74
Not afraid of anything really.... paleotn Nov 2014 #88
Well your tractor is silly to me. Socal31 Nov 2014 #117
I've nver heard of someone... paleotn Nov 2014 #129
And the whale has never seen Nebraska. But it still exists. Socal31 Nov 2014 #131
Tractors are meant for cutting hay.... paleotn Nov 2014 #134
That's even worse! Socal31 Nov 2014 #136
"None of my firearms are considered assault weapons by anyone's definition..." beevul Nov 2014 #127
If you're planning on murdering a bunch of 6 year olds,.... paleotn Nov 2014 #133
"Bolt action and single shot firearms are all I need." friendly_iconoclast Nov 2014 #149
The assassin of King used a Rem 260 pump .30 06... Eleanors38 Nov 2014 #158
You didn't answer the question. beevul Nov 2014 #151
Specifically the people who invade occupied dwellings. Socal31 Nov 2014 #102
Nothing. NT pablo_marmol Nov 2014 #123
more than anything backwoodsbob Nov 2014 #130
They watch crime shows on TV and think the world is more dangerous than it is. Warpy Nov 2014 #141
Excellent response, your 4th paragraph especially LOL NoJusticeNoPeace Nov 2014 #143
The problem with "sensible" gun control is the phrase "it's a good start" hack89 Nov 2014 #145
Sandy Hook. Warpy Nov 2014 #146
CT had an AWB and registration hack89 Nov 2014 #147
"I'll be pretty clear on this sarisataka Nov 2014 #150
They will not answer Duckhunter935 Nov 2014 #154
"My house has been burglarized twice, but that's all." Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #172
Pretending your contrary interpretation of the 2nd is the true meaning... Socal31 Nov 2014 #152
Speaking just for myself, I'm not afraid of anything you think I am. pablo_marmol Dec 2014 #163
If you fear a stroke I highly suggest you NOT read the 2nd amendment, cant be any clearer NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #175
Drop Bears. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #174
self defense is baloney tuhaybey Dec 2014 #178
I "like playing gun". Why don't you like playing gun? NYC_SKP Dec 2014 #180
Just to clarify.... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2014 #189
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