Gun Control & RKBA

sarisataka

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38. I don't see where the OP states

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 03:08 PM

Dec 2014

a woman is getting a gun to protect herself from an abusive spouse. In court I believe that is called assuming facts not in evidence.

I would agree that leaving such a relationship is the best, and nearly only, solution. Purchasing a gun in such a situation could lead to a charge of murder, by an overzealous prosecutor, even if it was used in self-defense.

Women do own guns for reasons other than to kill their spouses (at least I hope so otherwise I better watch my back )

It wasn't his neighbor but unknown people who were breaking into his garage. He killed a teen who made a bad choice and he was rightfully found guilty of intentional homicide by a jury. setting up at trap for a criminal is not self-defense. Last year we had a man kill two teens who broke into his house. They came in separately and in both cases he incapacitated them with an initial shot then fired again to kill them.He was found guilty of murder. The first shot was justified but once incapacitated they were no longer a threat so there was no self-defense.

The OP however asks a simple case without splitting hairs- A woman faces being an immediate victim of a violent crime. She has a gun. Is she justified in using it? The implied consequence is by not using it she is victimized by her attacker.

So- defend herself or be a victim?

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Do women have the right to self-defense even if the chosen means of defense is a gun? [View all] Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 OP

Yes Kalidurga Dec 2014 #1

Absolutely. NaturalHigh Dec 2014 #2

All people should have the same right to onecaliberal Dec 2014 #3

Sorry to pick nits but then, does that mean men and all ethnicities Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #4

The OP seems to me to be there for some other upaloopa Dec 2014 #6

Do you have a yes or no answer, it isn't that complicated a question. Lurks Often Dec 2014 #7

I doubt it nt Duckhunter935 Dec 2014 #10

Not playing your game thanks upaloopa Dec 2014 #12

What game? It's no more a game than asking do women have the right to: Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #16

This is a discussion board, are you unable to discuss things? Lurks Often Dec 2014 #23

"No self respecting gunner is confused about the answer to that question." Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #13

Protestations notwithstanding, your question couldn't have been more fairly stated. nt NYC_SKP Dec 2014 #14

Thank-you, sir. Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #18

These posts of yours are designed to upaloopa Dec 2014 #17

"The fight now is who can raise enough money" Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #20

I am not against gun ownership. upaloopa Dec 2014 #29

What legislation though? Legislation that has no effect on criminals? Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #31

Yes that is a good idea and also upaloopa Dec 2014 #34

I believe that was part of the President's actions. Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #36

I work for a county mental health department. upaloopa Dec 2014 #37

I agree. Perhaps even a system in the event the family is not present. Obviously this would include Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #39

Yep upaloopa Dec 2014 #41

i know we don't see eye-to-eye on much of this but thank-you for contributing to the thread. Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #42

Thank you for the nice words. upaloopa Dec 2014 #43

You really are a fan of Bloomberg. kioa Dec 2014 #27

Ok but I don't follow what Bloomberg is doing. upaloopa Dec 2014 #30

No, you want to "lower the rate of ownership" of firearms. oneshooter Dec 2014 #46

Here we go again upaloopa Dec 2014 #47

Merry christmas to you also. oneshooter Dec 2014 #48

Thanks upaloopa Dec 2014 #50

Do black men have the right to self-defense even if the chosen means of defense is a gun? NYC_SKP Dec 2014 #15

Why the hell didn't anyone reply to this. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #60

I am a woman onecaliberal Dec 2014 #49

The ability to self-defend is a Civil Right we all possess, a natural and inalienable right. NYC_SKP Dec 2014 #5

Nothing to discuss, of course they do. Lurks Often Dec 2014 #8

Of course Duckhunter935 Dec 2014 #9

This is probably referring to the South Carolina exboyfil Dec 2014 #11

Self defense with a gun is rude to society....don't be rude. ileus Dec 2014 #19

Tough question, sarisataka Dec 2014 #21

"Why is that so difficult?" Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #22

Sometimes money in politics sarisataka Dec 2014 #25

Do women have a right to self-defense nichomachus Dec 2014 #24

If it's self-defense the mechanism is immaterial. Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #26

Ok sarisataka Dec 2014 #28

Well, for a woman to get a gun nichomachus Dec 2014 #33

I don't see where the OP states sarisataka Dec 2014 #38

The thing is ... Straw Man Dec 2014 #53

No, escalating the level of violence is a crime jen1980 Dec 2014 #32

"escalating the level of violence is a crime" Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #35

Follow up question sarisataka Dec 2014 #40

Ahhh, so a woman is supposed to just lay there and be raped? GGJohn Dec 2014 #45

There is always another option . . . branford Dec 2014 #44

Why not. Only unreasoning fantatics think it's a stark choice though. Pholus Dec 2014 #51

Hold on . . . branford Dec 2014 #52

Overt literalness is a bummer at parties you know. Pholus Dec 2014 #55

Guns aren't a sacred cow. However, rights are rigorously defended. kioa Dec 2014 #57

So if you can't handle sacred cows, what about devout pigs? Big_Mike Dec 2014 #59

Yes indeed. pablo_marmol Dec 2014 #54

Why would you even ask? Of course both women and men have a right to defend ... spin Dec 2014 #56

In a society where guns are available as tools of self defense, then Yes! Starboard Tack Dec 2014 #58

Good position, but your justification works for the mentally ill as well. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #61

Everyone has the right to self defense Starboard Tack Dec 2014 #62

Better. That's a principles-based argument, and I share it. Cool. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #63