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In reply to the discussion: Man arrested after tackling shopper carrying gun [View all]jimmy the one
(2,708 posts)64. what if daniels HAD shot back in SD?
What happened to {black legal gun carrier} Clarence Daniels isn't an isolated incident, but a part of a pattern of racism in this country which continues in spite of many advances.
Legally, he could've pulled that firearm out and began shooting in self-defense, but you and I know that had he done that, he very well could've been called a murderer and Foster a hero for confronting him.
Right, that's the problem generally overlooked by gun salesmen, the nra, & even gun owners themselves - that they are at possible legal risk if they even let their gun be seen - whether brandishing or accidentally.
Had daniels defended himself with his gun in this justifiable situation (or was it, justifiably with a gun?), that serendipitous video could be the only thing standing in the way of a 15 year sentence, or at least accusations, with a lengthy criminal trial.
There's far more at risk than most younger gun owners realize when they carry a gun outside. Conniving liars framing them, hitting bystanders or thinking the wrong target, suits & counter suits, accidentally shooting themselves, even cops seeing them with a gun & shooting them.
Is it worth it for some remote chance to use it, remoter still where it would really matter, to carry a gun?
Those little kids {arg, bystanders pls} could've been shot and killed. Clarence Daniels could've been shot and killed in the struggle for his own weapon.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/01/22/1359564/-62-year-old-black-grandfather-choked-and-held-down-by-3-white-men-who-see-his-legal-firearm?detail=email
Legally, he could've pulled that firearm out and began shooting in self-defense, but you and I know that had he done that, he very well could've been called a murderer and Foster a hero for confronting him.
Right, that's the problem generally overlooked by gun salesmen, the nra, & even gun owners themselves - that they are at possible legal risk if they even let their gun be seen - whether brandishing or accidentally.
Had daniels defended himself with his gun in this justifiable situation (or was it, justifiably with a gun?), that serendipitous video could be the only thing standing in the way of a 15 year sentence, or at least accusations, with a lengthy criminal trial.
There's far more at risk than most younger gun owners realize when they carry a gun outside. Conniving liars framing them, hitting bystanders or thinking the wrong target, suits & counter suits, accidentally shooting themselves, even cops seeing them with a gun & shooting them.
Is it worth it for some remote chance to use it, remoter still where it would really matter, to carry a gun?
Those little kids {arg, bystanders pls} could've been shot and killed. Clarence Daniels could've been shot and killed in the struggle for his own weapon.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/01/22/1359564/-62-year-old-black-grandfather-choked-and-held-down-by-3-white-men-who-see-his-legal-firearm?detail=email
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There was no threat except in the febrile, paranoid imagination of the attacker.
Nuclear Unicorn
Jan 2015
#3
What a completely fucked-up thing to say. You should be ashamed of yourself
friendly_iconoclast
Jan 2015
#42
Why are nutty antis allowed to "protect" themselves from peaceable people who mean them no harm
Nuclear Unicorn
Jan 2015
#57
The victim appeared to have acted responsibly as well as complied with all relevant laws.
branford
Jan 2015
#71
Last Saturday, in Melbourne, Florida, a man carried three guns into the mall, and
djean111
Jan 2015
#14
You know nothing about the victim in the OP except "he's one of THOSE people"
Nuclear Unicorn
Jan 2015
#15
The other grabbers in this thread and the one in GD are excusing the attack if not
Nuclear Unicorn
Jan 2015
#20
Wow. Racist white man tackles carry concealed black man......if it was the other way around?
Fred Sanders
Jan 2015
#49
Foster is *definitely* one of your sort, Jimmy. To quote another vocal antigun DUer:
friendly_iconoclast
Jan 2015
#43
If the case against Mr. Foster proceeds, I wonder if the people who advocate this
petronius
Jan 2015
#23
Perhaps a week or two in County General Pop with the word that he jumped a 62 year old black man?
DonP
Jan 2015
#24