Gun Control & RKBA

hack89

(39,171 posts) Wed Feb 11, 2015, 04:01 PM Feb 2015

Concealed Carry’s Body Count (VPC padding the numbers again) [View all]

So the VPC released a report on concealed carry which is mentioned in this NY Times OpEd.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/11/opinion/concealed-carrys-body-count.html?emc=edit_th_20150211&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=31465010&_r=2

They make a big deal of the fact that there were 722 non-defense deaths since 2007 attributed to people with concealed carry licenses. When you actually read the report, turns out that 455 of those deaths (63%) were suicides. Are we to believe that if they didn't have a concealed carry license they would still be alive?

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Concealed Carry’s Body Count (VPC padding the numbers again) [View all] hack89 Feb 2015 OP

I believe that Professor Bogus writes for the VPC. So, this is just consistent with that. NYC_SKP Feb 2015 #1

Heh, I used to work with a woman with that as a last name krispos42 Feb 2015 #6

So they didn't kill themselves with a gun? mikeysnot Feb 2015 #2

There is a question in the last line of my OP hack89 Feb 2015 #3

Are you going to answer my question? I did read your comment... mikeysnot Feb 2015 #4

Yes they were killed by guns hack89 Feb 2015 #5

I'm convinced.. mikeysnot Feb 2015 #7

But the deaths were not due to them having a CC permit, now was it? hack89 Feb 2015 #8

Attributing those deaths to CCW, as the VPC and your interlocutor did... beevul Feb 2015 #9

If Josh Sugarmann told me... discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2015 #11

It is real simple. mikeysnot Feb 2015 #33

So no CCL means they would have lived? hack89 Feb 2015 #37

Death by gun = gun death mikeysnot Mar 2015 #40

Except the VPC "study" is specifically about concealed carry hack89 Mar 2015 #44

Yes, I did mikeysnot Mar 2015 #85

So how does concealed carry contribute to suicides? hack89 Mar 2015 #89

simple question. mikeysnot Mar 2015 #97

So they would own guns without a concealed carry license hack89 Mar 2015 #107

You need to read more. mikeysnot Mar 2015 #41

And the link between suicide and concealed carry is what exactly? hack89 Mar 2015 #45

Well .... but ... GUNZ!!! DonP Mar 2015 #46

For someone who claims they didn't read the post, your post prove you did not mikeysnot Mar 2015 #86

And still nothing relevant to say after 2 weeks Mr. Snot? DonP Mar 2015 #102

Little self important aren't you.... mikeysnot May 2015 #132

That is some really twisted logic you're trying to push there fella. GGJohn Feb 2015 #14

Pointed logic????? mikeysnot Feb 2015 #29

Funny. Grabbers try to claim GDUs only number a couple of hundred because Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #17

they refuse to accept DGUs when no one has been killed. mikeysnot Feb 2015 #25

"Do you just make shit up as you go along?" Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #32

peaceable people.???? mikeysnot Feb 2015 #34

Interesting. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #35

"So, who do you presume is going to enforce your gun control laws? Aroma therapists?" friendly_iconoclast Feb 2015 #38

Laughs at their own jokes. mikeysnot Mar 2015 #42

It was a serious question, couched in a snarky tone. Who *will* enforce your proposed laws? friendly_iconoclast Mar 2015 #50

Do you think that guns should be restricted to the military? NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #48

Are you one of those mikeysnot Mar 2015 #52

No I'm not. Thanks for asking. NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #54

I am totally cool with home protection mikeysnot Mar 2015 #56

We've had them for over ten years. NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #58

That's a good thing... discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2015 #61

47 to 1? The 25 year old Kellerman study in Crack neighborhoods? DonP Mar 2015 #62

Some of the most meaningful data from Dr K: discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2015 #63

When you get back from fantasy island mikeysnot Mar 2015 #67

Kellerman's 47 to 1 number has been thoroughly debunked; blueridge3210 Mar 2015 #68

link please. mikeysnot Mar 2015 #75

those who peer reviewed it gejohnston Mar 2015 #80

You are at the wrong site me brother... this is not a conservative web site. mikeysnot Mar 2015 #87

This is a Democratic site for those who are center left gejohnston Mar 2015 #99

YOU posted links to a conservative web site! mikeysnot Mar 2015 #101

based on an extrapolation from a small number of responses taken from more than 19 national surveys. gejohnston Mar 2015 #104

So? What you're attempying is a genetic fallacy friendly_iconoclast Mar 2015 #120

Like everything else you posted that! mikeysnot May 2015 #133

Coming from a control "Fan" that's really funny ... and, as usual, pathetic DonP Mar 2015 #69

Don, I agree with everything you said/wrote, Mugu Mar 2015 #70

Correct, but Instructors have to submit prints DonP Mar 2015 #72

Like I said when you get back from fantasy island let us know. mikeysnot Mar 2015 #74

Ummm, nobody said CCL was the cause of the drop in violent crime DonP Mar 2015 #79

47 to 1 mikeysnot Mar 2015 #66

"DGU is lies and bullshit, you live a lie and fantasy." Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #83

Makes me angry? Ahhh No... mikeysnot Mar 2015 #84

You're emotionally invested in a debunked study. That says its an agenda. Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #92

Lets see the police report. oneshooter Mar 2015 #47

Whoops responded to the wrong one! mikeysnot Mar 2015 #51

A relevant question would be... discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2015 #10

No the gun killed them. mikeysnot Feb 2015 #18

Good to know you agree... discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2015 #19

No just showing another correlation between mikeysnot Feb 2015 #26

So you're saying that those of us on this board that have CHL's GGJohn Feb 2015 #28

Why do you feel the need to carry a gun everywhere? mikeysnot Feb 2015 #30

Dodging the question? GGJohn Feb 2015 #31

What that your mentally ill? mikeysnot Mar 2015 #43

I've never said I carry a gun everywhere. eom. GGJohn Mar 2015 #49

Do you? mikeysnot Mar 2015 #53

No, I do not. eom. GGJohn Mar 2015 #55

Then why are you so mikeysnot Mar 2015 #57

Why are you so rude? eom. GGJohn Mar 2015 #59

Answer the question. mikeysnot Mar 2015 #64

Demanding me to answer a question is the wrong tack to take. GGJohn Mar 2015 #73

right back at ya! mikeysnot Mar 2015 #77

"So you're saying that those of us on this board that have CHL's" Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #60

What question didn't I answer? mikeysnot Mar 2015 #65

This simple question put to you by GGJohn Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #71

More name calling. mikeysnot Mar 2015 #76

What name calling? Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #81

We already have many regulations and rules. mikeysnot Mar 2015 #88

Then open your eyes, young one. blueridge3210 Mar 2015 #91

And yet we have the most gun deaths in the world. mikeysnot Mar 2015 #93

And yet, contrary to your "bullshit" claim blueridge3210 Mar 2015 #94

you posted three mikeysnot Mar 2015 #96

How about these? Why too many to post. Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #100

He did not respond to my posts either Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #109

Who indeed? blueridge3210 Mar 2015 #111

oh my Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #112

read the regulations here Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #98

where did you go Mikey? Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #113

that was sad mikeysnot May 2015 #121

if a knife was used, gejohnston Feb 2015 #20

Stay on topic mikeysnot Feb 2015 #27

it is about guns gejohnston Feb 2015 #36

link please... mikeysnot Mar 2015 #103

these studies go back to the 1970s gejohnston Mar 2015 #106

so you don't have any? mikeysnot May 2015 #122

You mean like the Hart study? gejohnston May 2015 #124

Link please mikeysnot May 2015 #131

not everything is online gejohnston May 2015 #134

And how many more of them occurred in the home, where 'carry' was irrelevant? petronius Feb 2015 #12

Logic and counting have never been strong abilities ManiacJoe Feb 2015 #13

more puffing up the numbers Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #15

Well, sometimes the numbers just don't tell the 'real' story, petronius Feb 2015 #16

They ignore the fact that you are much more likely to be killed by an average citizen than a..... Logical Feb 2015 #21

They ignore many things -including the truth. Nt hack89 Feb 2015 #22

Guns kill mikeysnot Mar 2015 #90

No shit hack89 Mar 2015 #108

here are a few Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #110

pulling out the old reliable... mikeysnot May 2015 #123

Not so reliable. beevul May 2015 #138

Without suicides these body bag count groups would be out of business. ileus Feb 2015 #23

Careful there, everyone knows "Mental Health" issues are just an NRA talking point DonP Feb 2015 #24

Padding the numbers? Surely not. NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #39

Your PEEPS mikeysnot Mar 2015 #78

I love the smell of collective guilt-tripping in the morning; it smells like... friendly_iconoclast Mar 2015 #82

desperation mikeysnot Mar 2015 #95

Here is just two after a very short search Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #105

Yes and yeterdays police blotter in one US city mikeysnot May 2015 #125

What happened to you Mikey? Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #114

No reality is mikeysnot May 2015 #126

Mikey, did you draw the short straw today? Eleanors38 Mar 2015 #115

Well, this is his Favorite DU Group so he'll be back ... then go away again DonP Mar 2015 #117

Stone Space had the duty a few days ago. Must be a round robbin. Eleanors38 Mar 2015 #118

Unless they're the same person? DonP Mar 2015 #119

Being So Wrong must be your favorite past time... mikeysnot May 2015 #130

Nah, my favorite pastime (pssst, it's one word) is training new concealed gun carriers. DonP May 2015 #137

So your a "biased" gun users mikeysnot Jul 2015 #139

Yeah, I'm part of the conspiracy DonP Jul 2015 #141

You are really fulll of yourself arent you? mikeysnot Jul 2015 #142

Now that's good tasting irony DonP Jul 2015 #143

Thanks I will mikeysnot Jul 2015 #144

Why are you always confused on things? mikeysnot May 2015 #129

You're late. When's your shift? Eleanors38 May 2015 #135

Late for what? mikeysnot Jul 2015 #140

Nice theory mikeysnot May 2015 #128

Nope, just a life mikeysnot May 2015 #127

Yeah, I was off for nearly 3 mos. No harm came of it! Eleanors38 May 2015 #136

NYT must be breaking in some recent J school grads. Eleanors38 Mar 2015 #116

(cough) Ahem... ...KICK... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2015 #145

Letting this one age? Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #146

Its a timeless classic. N/T beevul Aug 2015 #147