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benEzra

(12,148 posts)
42. Murder, by State and Type of Weapon, 2013 (FBI)
Tue Feb 17, 2015, 12:54 PM
Feb 2015
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/table-20/table_20_murder_by_state_types_of_weapons_2013.xls

[font face="courier new"]Total murders...................... 12,253
Handguns............................ 5,782 (47.2%)
Firearms (type unknown)............. 2,079 (17.0%)
Clubs, rope, fire, etc.............. 1,622 (13.2%)
Knives and other cutting weapons.... 1,490 (12.2%)
Hands, fists, feet.................... 687 (5.6%)
Shotguns.............................. 308 (2.5%)
[font color="red"]Rifles................................ 285 (2.3%)[/font][/font]

Of that, only a tiny percentage (if any!) involve M855. And of course rifle homicides have fallen precipitously since 2005. From FBI Uniform Crime Reports 2005-2013, Tables 20:

2005: 442
2006: 436
2007: 450
2008: 375
2009: 348
2010: 358
2011: 323
2012: 302
2013: 285

This proposal seeks to outlaw inexpensive surplus target ammo used heavily by competitive shooters and almost never by criminals. It is less lethal than any civilian .223 load you can buy at Walmart, even the cheapest $5/box FMJ.

Anyone fighting to outlaw practice ammo for the most popular target rifles in America (not just AR's, but all .223's) doesn't give a crap about "saving lives", because you are going directly after lawful target shooting with this.

Edited to add: The "saving cops' lives" angle is also BS. NIJ Level IIIA body armor will not stop rifle calibers, period. NIJ Level III body armor, if up to spec, should stop any ball ammo up to .308/7.62x51mm, including .223 M855 which is non-AP ball (.223 AP is M995 and is already restricted). NIJ Level IV body armor will stop all AP rifle rounds up to .30-06 M2 tungsten core (7.62x63mm). So this isn't about saving anyone's life; it's about sticking it to people whose life choices you disagree with.

Guess I will have stock up on Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #1
"AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service" demwing Feb 2015 #2
Wow, thanks Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #3
Don't thank me demwing Feb 2015 #20
Same here Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #25
you made someone have a sadon. ileus Feb 2015 #8
It's only logical that people who own .223 caliber firearms would want to stock up on ammo. ... spin Feb 2015 #12
What if there were 80,000,000 racists? demwing Feb 2015 #21
not even close Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #26
What if... discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2015 #29
Wow! That's easily the lamest alert I've ever seen... VScott Feb 2015 #14
"Cop Killer Bullets" you need a new calendar it's not 1992 anymore DonP Feb 2015 #18
FYI... Adrahil Feb 2015 #44
I appreciate the correction, so we're violating the Hague agreements? DonP Feb 2015 #47
Not really... the U.S.never signed those sections, though we generally adhere to them. Adrahil Feb 2015 #48
Can't use a 9mm JHP but a 50 BMG is just fine - go figure NT DonP Feb 2015 #49
heh... yup. n/t Adrahil Feb 2015 #51
here is ATF's version gejohnston Feb 2015 #4
Thanks, looks like a good read Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #5
Good mwrguy Feb 2015 #6
What, exactly, is good here? appal_jack Feb 2015 #17
Less cheap ammo on the street = fewer dead kids with bullet holes in them mwrguy Feb 2015 #22
given the profits of the drug trade gejohnston Feb 2015 #23
how often is this type of ammo used Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #27
Murder, by State and Type of Weapon, 2013 (FBI) benEzra Feb 2015 #42
This type of ammo.... Adrahil Feb 2015 #45
RIF its action by the ATF no the POTUS.... Historic NY Feb 2015 #32
The ATF is part of the executive branch. Civics is fundamental too. nt appal_jack Feb 2015 #33
You don't really think I'm going to an NRA website, do you? bluedigger Feb 2015 #7
Glad I have a pretty good plinking stock of 556 already. ileus Feb 2015 #9
Meh. M855 is a mediocre cartridge anyway Adrahil Feb 2015 #46
But remember, it's crazy and paranoid to think that Obama will move on guns. krispos42 Feb 2015 #10
"So the gun-control people simultanously..." Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #11
Checked 3 of my online, go to ammo vendors and they're sold out. VScott Feb 2015 #13
Oh great. Costs us votes and does almost nothing to reduce crime Taitertots Feb 2015 #15
crime has nothing to do with it. mog75 Feb 2015 #19
they rely on the suicide #'s to bolster their approval. ileus Feb 2015 #30
yes it is Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #31
The most common type of ammo for the most popular caliber. kcci Feb 2015 #16
"The coastal wing of the part is just dead-set on making the Democratic Party a regional party." pablo_marmol Feb 2015 #24
The question is if it is wise to piss off such a large group of voters as gun owners. ... spin Feb 2015 #37
But maybe some folks believe... discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2015 #38
Some people still think the world is flat. ... spin Feb 2015 #39
I agree but some folks seem to hold a contrary opinion discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2015 #40
Nor to me either. spin Feb 2015 #41
Precisely what I was thinking, spin. pablo_marmol Feb 2015 #43
Rampant paranoia from the NRA chemp Feb 2015 #28
I first read about it gejohnston Feb 2015 #34
The other group is requesting for us to send comments Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #35
I will send one tonight. mog75 Feb 2015 #36
Meh, it's overpriced crap anyway IMO sir pball Feb 2015 #50
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