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Thanks for the facts. braddy Feb 2015 #1
Banning M855 is kind of silly, but.... Adrahil Feb 2015 #2
A lot of people who shoot M855 benEzra Feb 2015 #4
I dunno.... Adrahil Feb 2015 #5
Thanks for the post, interesting Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #3
The Fraternal Order of Police has chimed in. benEzra Mar 2015 #6
Great Post Ben.. virginia mountainman Mar 2015 #7
rock paper scissors jimmy the one Mar 2015 #8
Level III hard armor should stop multiple .223/5.56mm benEzra Mar 2015 #10
green bullets jimmy the one Mar 2015 #37
Oh my....let's discuss. benEzra Mar 2015 #39
Take a rather pedestrian bullet sarisataka Mar 2015 #41
Support your BATFE jimmy the one Mar 2015 #47
suspended, fear of rabies jimmy the one Mar 2015 #48
"Rabid gun zealotry to the rescue" beevul Mar 2015 #49
Pointing out facts is always "rabid gun zealotry" if those facts benEzra Mar 2015 #54
at what point does nra idiocy offend reason jimmy the one Mar 2015 #60
Because M855 is lead-core *NON* AP, and if it can be designated AP under the new framework benEzra Mar 2015 #65
angry gun owners win jimmy the one Mar 2015 #67
What a misleading title. beevul Mar 2015 #68
The only person angry in this thread is you. benEzra Mar 2015 #72
Jimmy makes some excellent points samsingh Mar 2015 #76
Hard to see with his hat on though. DonP Mar 2015 #80
Such as? benEzra Mar 2015 #85
Eh? Straw Man Mar 2015 #16
I doubt you will get a response Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #22
you lose jimmy the one Mar 2015 #46
Fail, as this is not what you Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #58
Comprehension? Straw Man Mar 2015 #59
girlie men could use them jimmy the one Mar 2015 #61
Nonsense. Straw Man Mar 2015 #62
forget about level III bpv? jimmy the one Mar 2015 #64
More stuff. Straw Man Mar 2015 #66
odd bullet, but effective jimmy the one Mar 2015 #69
A black hole? Straw Man Mar 2015 #70
relative special theories jimmy the one Mar 2015 #73
Relative nonsense. Straw Man Mar 2015 #74
he am teacher, hear him roar jimmy the one Mar 2015 #75
Thanks for pointing out my typo, Jimmy. Straw Man Mar 2015 #78
little big man jimmy the one Mar 2015 #81
Grammar Games Straw Man Mar 2015 #83
picking nits, straw man style jimmy the one Mar 2015 #86
More games. Straw Man Mar 2015 #87
straw man on a high horse jimmy the one Mar 2015 #91
The hits just keep on coming. Straw Man Mar 2015 #92
pile driving effect still true, afaik jimmy the one Mar 2015 #95
Blahdy blahdy blah blah ... Straw Man Mar 2015 #96
more jimmy the one Mar 2015 #99
Typo? Straw Man Mar 2015 #104
what was so good about him? jimmy the one Mar 2015 #110
HST? Straw Man Mar 2015 #112
gonzo journalism jimmy the one Mar 2015 #115
So in Jimmy's lexicon ... Straw Man Mar 2015 #116
The "straw man" is pretending that M855 out of a pistol can penetrate Level III armor. It can't. benEzra Mar 2015 #93
The military uses it... discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2015 #94
pile drivers jimmy the one Mar 2015 #98
"Unlikely but possible" benEzra Mar 2015 #107
recoil chart jimmy the one Mar 2015 #108
Couple problems that will affect the calc. AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #114
It's not that pressures are different (they are the same), it's the way the leade is cut. benEzra Mar 2015 #119
Yes, exactly. benEzra Mar 2015 #118
knight's gambit thru enemy territory jimmy the one Mar 2015 #111
Well... benEzra Mar 2015 #117
2-5 leave.....m msanthrope Mar 2015 #103
thanks, ms ann thrope jimmy the one Apr 2015 #120
Here's the thing, James. blueridge3210 Mar 2015 #79
And this particular contention is *ludicrous*. benEzra Mar 2015 #71
.223 handguns Straw Man Mar 2015 #63
You are completely, totally and hilariously wrong. AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #90
enormous or hilarious jimmy the one Mar 2015 #109
I agree with Erza's comment. AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #113
It works that way in Call of Duty, amirite? benEzra Mar 2015 #40
you are making good points Jimmy samsingh Mar 2015 #77
play it again, sam jimmy the one Mar 2015 #82
In other words ... Straw Man Mar 2015 #84
Do people shoot at you a lot on your motorcycle? AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #89
leather better than kevlar? dark ages logic jimmy the one Mar 2015 #97
Reading comprehension. It's fundamental. AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #100
The Straight Dope; Fighting ignorance since 1973 (It's taking longer than we thought) AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #101
"It's just they're terribly comfortable I think everyone will be wearing them in the future" AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #102
By the way, that motorcycle suit you linked to? 600D Coudra, not Kevlar. Genius move there. AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #105
Everyone knows this is a feel good Moms and Bloomy pleasing ban. ileus Mar 2015 #9
Hmmm. Wonder why our resident "statistics expert" is remaining silent? NT pablo_marmol Mar 2015 #11
It's just another ploy to chisel away at gun rights. NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #12
I wonder if this changes things? blueridge3210 Mar 2015 #13
The whine cellar is gonna have a sad about that! friendly_iconoclast Mar 2015 #14
funny they say firearms are not regulated Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #15
"The whine cellar..." Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #42
You should be. I only stea...err, borrow from the best! friendly_iconoclast Mar 2015 #45
Piling this atop the rest of this fiasco certainly doesn't help their case... benEzra Mar 2015 #17
If I wore a tin foil hat Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #18
Trial balloon? blueridge3210 Mar 2015 #19
Why does every article sarisataka Mar 2015 #20
predictably, another post in the other group that links to Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #21
And as expected: blueridge3210 Mar 2015 #23
Facts do not matter as much as purity Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #24
Think this question will be answered Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #25
You guys would whine about that, too, if it went that way. nt Electric Monk Mar 2015 #26
Nope, just curious how many more you are going to block Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #27
I notice you haven't chimed in much on the ammo ban proposal. beevul Mar 2015 #28
just ask him as a simple yes or no question Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #30
Reclass them as SBR's, problem solved. AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #106
another answer as expected in that group Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #29
Hey, they admitted that AR-15 rifles are typically used by target shooters and hunters. benEzra Mar 2015 #31
and when some gun manufacturer comes up with a bullpup pistol version, what then? Electric Monk Mar 2015 #32
nice cartoon Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #33
We buy one...or two...a in home self defense dream come true. ileus Mar 2015 #34
They already do (Steyr AUG and IMI Tavor). benEzra Mar 2015 #35
The basic mechanics of firearms... discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2015 #36
You haven't made the case why they shouldn't be allowed for civilians. beevul Mar 2015 #38
"its up to you to make the case why they shouldn't be, beyond 'I don't like them'." Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #55
Me and my high-minded beliefs... beevul Mar 2015 #56
Ugh! Why must these peasants always be starting so much trouble! Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #57
Update: It looks like the good guys won. NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #43
Good to hear. It appears sometimes facts can win out over the scaremongering. benEzra Mar 2015 #44
And likely another bump in NRA, SAF and state associations membership N/T DonP Mar 2015 #53
if you want to ban something, you go after the least effective regulations first Taitertots Mar 2015 #50
Excellent and informative post tularetom Mar 2015 #51
Yup, exactly. (n/t) benEzra Mar 2015 #52
INTERESTING. I just learned that 55gr lead-core FMJ (but ironically not 62gr M855) benEzra Mar 2015 #88
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