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Neon Gods

(222 posts)
43. Facing reality?
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 04:07 PM
Mar 2015

" Unlike you, I don't base my arguments on projection or personal prejudice. Nor do I trot out the usual logical fallacies."

Of course you do. Your reply was full of it.

What about this example. "No matter where you are in the world, if you can get a bag of weed, you can just as easily get a gun." One doesn't follow the other. That's just your personal prejudice making an equivalence that makes no sense. You also seem to subscribe to the "laws can't prevent bad guys from getting what they want so we should stop making those laws and face reality." Using that logic we would have no laws because someone somewhere is going to break it.

Moving onto "developed countries," surely you knew that when I referred to them I was referring to France, Germany, Japan, Sweden, etc., not lesser developed countries like Mexico, but the only way you could respond was to broaden the list.

In response to your link to the ATF report on gun recoveries in Illinois, here is a link to the source of guns recovered in Chicago:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/01/29/us/where-50000-guns-in-chicago-came-from.html?_r=0

It shows Mississippi is an unusually large source of guns recovered in Chicago.

You said you read the GAO report and found that the author inflated the numbers. Would you, or someone else, provide a link or the name of the report? I couldn't find it on the GAO website.

Gun laws, like other laws defining legal/illegal activities, are not passed with the belief that the law will end illegal activity, but will reduce or control it. Pro-gunners appear to believe that crime must be controlled or prevented, not by laws, but by armed citizens, thus it is important to make it as easy as possible for anyone, everyone, to get a gun. Citizens who choose not to arm themselves are sh*t out of luck if a portion of the growing American arsenal fall into the hands of criminals, or angry drunks, or sadists, or men who feel they must control their women or shoot them, or kids too young to understand consequences.

X-Post: "Gun Rights for Terrorists" [View all] Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 OP
The Constitution is obviously important, but it's OK to ignore it if we're dealing petronius Feb 2015 #1
"our default position should be to maximize protection & preservation of those rights and liberties" Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #2
So what do you propose? Neon Gods Feb 2015 #14
Should we dump the Terrorist Watch List altogether? gejohnston Feb 2015 #16
Gun grabbers are running around, pointing their fingers and yelling, "TERRORISTS!" at anyone they Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #32
It's easy to whine and complain about... stone space Mar 2015 #39
You seem incapable of making an honest statement. Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #40
Because people like you supported her rite to "lawful menacing". stone space Mar 2015 #41
Explain how one person owning a gun constitutes supporting another person threatening others. Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #42
Heh, I suspect the answer to your question would vary depending on whether the petronius Feb 2015 #23
Nobody stopped Craig Hicks. Nobody stopped Veronica Dunnachie. stone space Feb 2015 #3
"Nobody stopped Craig Hicks. Nobody stopped Veronica Dunnachie." Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #4
Why were they allowed to terrorize people with their gunz? (nt) stone space Feb 2015 #5
Despite your lurid fantasies, guns are not the only means by which people are killed. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #6
They were seen terrorizing people with their gunz in public stone space Feb 2015 #7
You're not even being coherent; you're just lobbing emotional rants. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #8
Craig Hicks terrorized 3 Muslims with his gun... stone space Mar 2015 #33
Yes. You're talking. We know. Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #34
Because some folks here support... stone space Mar 2015 #35
"Because some folks here support Hicks 'right' to terrorize his neighbors with his gun." Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #36
There's nothing funny about... stone space Mar 2015 #37
"terrorism is considered a God-given rite {sic} here in this country" Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #38
Really? Neon Gods Feb 2015 #13
No, it doesn't originate from outside the city gejohnston Feb 2015 #18
That's called mis-direction Neon Gods Feb 2015 #22
no it isn't gejohnston Mar 2015 #27
Facing reality? Neon Gods Mar 2015 #43
Really? gejohnston Mar 2015 #47
Like these terrorists? benEzra Feb 2015 #9
Ted kennedy was on the list Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #10
Senator Kennedy was not on the list. ManiacJoe Feb 2015 #24
even worse Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #30
Suddenly lots of love for BushCo's secret lists...nt virginia mountainman Feb 2015 #11
Yeah, suddenly Bush/Cheney's list is popular with progressives, funny that? DonP Feb 2015 #12
So, you are saying we should abolish the list? Neon Gods Feb 2015 #15
How many terrorists are on the list? gejohnston Feb 2015 #17
What if 90% on the list are terrorists, and half of those pose a danger to us? Neon Gods Feb 2015 #20
Real progressives sarisataka Mar 2015 #25
It is an opinion of a gejohnston Mar 2015 #26
'Lists' are fine. Law enforcement is supposed to investigate crimes and potential dangers, petronius Feb 2015 #21
Yes... virginia mountainman Mar 2015 #28
Have terrorists been thwarted? Neon Gods Feb 2015 #19
If French and Belgian gun laws gejohnston Mar 2015 #29
Yeah, lets' just give up! Neon Gods Mar 2015 #44
Laws do not prevent criminal acts gejohnston Mar 2015 #45
The WH is a specific, defined, limited area. The grabbers are trying to exploit the GWoT Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #31
"Grabbers want to use a law designed for war to control their own citizens..." Neon Gods Mar 2015 #46
People don't have to petition to exercise their inherent rights. Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #48
The Bush/Cheney secret blacklists were and are a blight on civil liberties benEzra Mar 2015 #49
I find it fucking disgusting to read on DU that 'they're not inherently a bad idea'... friendly_iconoclast Mar 2015 #50
This is where you drop the microphone and walk away. Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #51
If I am not mistaken, the rifle shown in the picture is a muzzle loader. oneshooter Mar 2015 #52
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