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In reply to the discussion: Emily Got Her Gun [View all]

benEzra

(12,148 posts)
43. If I may point out...
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 10:19 PM
Mar 2015
"What I said was that most of the gun control orgs are engaged in other efforts, efforts that have a chance of making a difference. Anyone who is serious about gun control realizes Assault Weapons can't be banned because they cannot be properly defined and any definition can usually be overcome with minor design changes.


And yet those gun control orgs rammed through a harshly punitive "assault weapon" ban in 2013 in Maryland, did they not? Putting a protruding handgrip on a new Ruger Mini-14 in your state is now a serious crime. Your new ban not only outlaws the most popular target rifles in America, it even outlaws Olympics-style target pistols (Hammerli, Benelli, etc.) due to the forward mounted magazine.

http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/2013RS/bills/sb/sb0623f.pdf

I have yet to read of a gun control organization saying such bans are wrong or misguided or should be opposed, just sometimes that they're not practical nationwide "yet" so they're not a priority "for now". Bloomberg's Everytown organization, the Brady Campaign, the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, and the Violence Policy Center have all made it quite clear that such bans are a legislative priority, and they ram them through every chance they get (as in Maryland), even though rifles are consistently the least misused of all weapons nationwide.

You are correct that magazine bans are a separate issue, and one likely to spur even more backlash (since >10-round magazines are used in many, many more firearms than semiauto rifles), but they are often introduced alongside aesthetic/ergonomic feature bans and are equally pointless.

"Yes, I've had experience with Maryland's "peaceable gun-owners." To pick just one instance, a co-worker - a PG County resident - was told by his supervisor that his work was sub-standard and that he was headed for a PIP. Said worker didn't take it well, threatened his supervisor and then went back to his cubicle, called the gun dealer he deals with, and asked about purchasing a specific pistol and ammunition. Fortunately a co-worker overheard him and alerted security. He didn't deny it. They escorted him out of the building and fired him. He's still out there somewhere and I'm sure his supervisor spent a few very nervous months before he felt safe again. "


If he were calling a gun dealer to ostensibly buy a gun in order to commit a crime, doesn't that imply that he didn't already own same?

Even if your perception of him as a gun enthusiast were correct, though, how is stereotyping 80+ million people by the actions of your former coworker any different from stereotyping any other group by the actions of a tiny minority of bad apples? Gun-violence perpetrators skew very heavily (>90%) toward people with long records of participation in violent crime and impulse-control issues. At the other end of the spectrum, concealed carry licenses are a decent statistical proxy for gun enthusiasts, and in most states that track crimes by CCW holders, our per-capita rate of violent crime tends to be far lower than the population at large, and usually even lower than that of LEO's. That's not to excuse any wrongdoing by anyone, but if your aim is to reduce violent crime and save lives, it seems to me that focusing on those who are not the problem isn't going to help one iota, and will actually be counterproductive due to diversion of resources and political capital away from more productive approaches.
Emily Got Her Gun [View all] Neon Gods Feb 2015 OP
At least somebody is pointing out the absurdity of gun laws Travis_0004 Feb 2015 #1
And you would be writing as a columnist or commentator... Neon Gods Feb 2015 #3
Guns Guns Guns, we dont have enough randys1 Feb 2015 #2
This is the forum sarisataka Feb 2015 #14
No, this is the forum where adults discuss facts Lurks Often Feb 2015 #19
Good one Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #25
Are we saying here that she can't advocate upaloopa Feb 2015 #4
Credibility is a prime concern in any news article discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2015 #5
Well if we have to check our beliefs and desires upaloopa Feb 2015 #7
Yes Neon Gods Feb 2015 #10
I'm have only a passing familiarity with Emily discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2015 #11
"I am no gun owner (use to be until last December)" oneshooter Feb 2015 #22
#gunnergate Brickbat Feb 2015 #6
Okay, now address the part where DC is throwing up unconstitutional roadblocks. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #8
Examples? Neon Gods Feb 2015 #12
"Has that been declared unconstitutional?" Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #16
"That's the weasel technique grabbers use and that's why they aren't trusted..." Neon Gods Feb 2015 #20
Except it's not democracy because grabbers only win by lying and obfuscation. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #23
Ethics?! virginia mountainman Feb 2015 #9
So get him fired Neon Gods Feb 2015 #13
I think you missed the point n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2015 #15
Why not prison? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #17
Its apropriate, here, pointing out that the CSGV is silent on gregory. N/T beevul Feb 2015 #18
Just like WTTG has been silent about Emily Miller Neon Gods Feb 2015 #21
Wait, do you support "assault weapon" and magazine bans, or oppose them? benEzra Feb 2015 #24
surprise! no answer Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #26
Oh my, I am so sorry! Neon Gods Feb 2015 #29
Just one would be nice though Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #30
Do you know why pro-controllers don't answer every reply? Neon Gods Mar 2015 #33
Welcome to the gungeon. I, too, have noticed the bullies ongoing attempts to make this RKBA only. Electric Monk Mar 2015 #34
Not hostile but factual Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #37
"Nobody makes you come here". He *has* to, if he wants his posts to get a wide audience friendly_iconoclast Mar 2015 #39
Actually it's a forum for discussion... NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #41
No, its not. Neon Gods Mar 2015 #65
This was to be a response to #41 Neon Gods Mar 2015 #66
This is what that "brave" group sarisataka Mar 2015 #69
Cool story bro. NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #73
This was posted in the group you host Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #42
I agree that "It takes a special kind of sick bastard to celebrate wife beaters having guns." Electric Monk Mar 2015 #44
post the whole thing Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #45
If you think it is way over the top, alert on it. That's what juries are for, not hosts. nt Electric Monk Mar 2015 #46
Wrong Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #47
You self deleted what? You just had a post hidden by jury. Learn the difference, please. nt Electric Monk Mar 2015 #48
That post I self deleted was a while back Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #51
Utter BS again. GGJohn Mar 2015 #49
I could make them a host too, if I want to. I think I just might, just to piss you off even more. Electric Monk Mar 2015 #50
LOL. You think I'm pissed off? GGJohn Mar 2015 #53
but this is his favorite group Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #55
Yeah, go figure. GGJohn Mar 2015 #56
Great job, 40 wow Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #57
Welcome home to you too brother. eom. GGJohn Mar 2015 #58
Mine was easy compared to yours Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #59
Attack chopper pilot, Vietnam, Panama, Desert Storm, Afghanistan and Iraq. GGJohn Mar 2015 #60
I always wanted to to airframes Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #62
I love it when a certain faction here ridicule your handle, GGJohn Mar 2015 #61
I can understand it Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #63
be careful Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #52
Oh, I have my eyes wide open as far as EM is concerned. GGJohn Mar 2015 #54
Yes, I could post there and probably will end up doing so, but... Neon Gods Mar 2015 #64
"I've never met a liberal that doesn't put public safety" Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #68
I've walked into the Tower of Babel Neon Gods Mar 2015 #70
If you claim gun ownership = higher deaths then the number of deaths should correlate to the Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #72
Factoids and faulty conclusions. Straw Man Mar 2015 #71
And if they answer simple questions Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #36
In the other thread, you said it's ridiculous to think gun controllers want to ban "assault weapons" benEzra Mar 2015 #31
No, I never specifically mentioned >10 round magazines Neon Gods Mar 2015 #35
The disinterested reader will note that no AR (or any other rifle) was mentioned in that anecdote friendly_iconoclast Mar 2015 #38
If I may point out... benEzra Mar 2015 #43
And yet those gun control orgs rammed through a[n]..."assault weapon" ban in 2013 in Maryland" Neon Gods Mar 2015 #67
Who is being less than honest? virginia mountainman Feb 2015 #28
Look up "intent" nt Logical Feb 2015 #27
gunnuttess crab jimmy the one Mar 2015 #32
So she's definitely "one of *those* people"? friendly_iconoclast Mar 2015 #40
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