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Response to Neon Gods (Reply #64)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 02:09 PM

68. "I've never met a liberal that doesn't put public safety"

Define "public safety."

1) the United States has over 10 firearm related deaths per year, per 100,000, compared to 3 in France, 1.5 in Sweden, 1.25 in Germany, and 0.06 in Japan, etc., etc. And yet in this group the main concern is always people need more freedom to buy whatever firearms they want, and they resent any attempt by non-gun-worshipers to reign in the growing arsenal of firearms.

Interestingly, Sweden has 1/3 the number of guns as the US but 1/7 the gun deaths. Why is that?

Of the 20,000 gun deaths in the US, more than half are suicides. Japan has no real private ownership. Yet, it's suicide rate alone -- not counting violent crime, is nearly double the US rate.

The presence or absence of guns are NOT the deciding variable.

Is it really about "public safety"?


2) firearms are not "equalizers," they do not make society "politer," in fact they give gun owners an incredible amount of power over those of us who want to live without having armed strangers around us everywhere we go in public, in our schools, bars, churches, parks, playgrounds - some with no safety training, and none of them required to have liability insurance.

This is a nonsensical statement. You're just making assumptions that 80+ million gun owners are pre-criminals.

Again, more than half od firearms deaths are suicide. Banning guns won't stop that because someone who puts a gun in their mouth and pulls the trigger is under no illusions about the result. They aren't taking pills and hoping the EMTs arrive, they are determined to die. They need health care, not a ban on guns.

For those who do use guns for crimes, ~70% have prior criminal records are excluded by law -- and without complaint fro RKBA advocates -- from owning guns. As has been stated elsewhere: If you can by illegal drugs odds are you can buy illegal guns and seeing as the War on Drugs has not offered any relief to drug issues there is no reason to expect a War on Guns would fare any better.

Negligent discharges are covered by law when injury and property damage do occur and civil restitution is provided. So far the demand for insurance is a solution looking for a problem and just one more way for the 1% to force laws that only they can afford to obey so as to make the rest of us criminals at their leisure.

That doesn't strike me as being very liberal.

Moreover, it's interesting that you say, "firearms are not "equalizers," they do not make society "politer," in fact they give gun owners an incredible amount of power over {others}..."

Then why would I want to live my life disarmed while the 1%, their bought-and-paid-for politicians and the criminals they are too unwilling/incompetent to interdict get to own all the guns THEY want? Here you are saying it distorts the balance of power but your only solution is to imprison anyone wanting to rebalance the power.

That doesn't strike me as being very liberal, either.

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