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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #68)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 07:03 PM

70. I've walked into the Tower of Babel

I posted the standardized number of firearm related deaths in the U.S. and compare them to the figures for other developed countries. The differences are quite remarkable...and you come back with gun ownership in Sweden, then suicides are more than half of those - as though their deaths don't matter - oh and by the way Japan's suicide rate is higher than ours. Squirrel!!

If the unreasonably high rate of firearm deaths in the U.S. compared to other developed countries doesn't bother you, admit it. It bothers me a lot because IMO it represents a lot of unnecessary suffering, and again, IMO, the high number of firearms that Americans own is not correlation, it is causation to a significant extent. I think the American public is beginning to understand. Yes, it is about public safety, and I find your insinuation that it may not be, insulting. What else would it be?

"Of the 20,000 gun deaths in the US, more than half are suicides...The presence or absence of guns are NOT the deciding variable."


See Suicide, Guns, and Public Policy
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3518361/

Abstract: "Suicide is a serious public health concern that is responsible for almost 1 million deaths each year worldwide. It is commonly an impulsive act by a vulnerable individual. The impulsivity of suicide provides opportunities to reduce the risk of suicide by restricting access to lethal means.

In the United States, firearms, particularly handguns, are the most common means of suicide. Despite strong empirical evidence that restriction of access to firearms reduces suicides, access to firearms in the United States is generally subject to few restrictions."


Further,

Moreover, it's interesting that you say, "firearms are not "equalizers," they do not make society "politer," in fact they give gun owners an incredible amount of power over {others}..."

Then why would I want to live my life disarmed while the 1%, their bought-and-paid-for politicians and the criminals they are too unwilling/incompetent to interdict get to own all the guns THEY want? Here you are saying it distorts the balance of power but your only solution is to imprison anyone wanting to rebalance the power.


I can't speak for you. Evidently your gun agenda is driven by anger that the rich get to do what they want and never get punished for it like we peons, more than I realized. Yup, that pretty much describes America in the 21st century (and the 20th century, and the 19th century, and the 18th century, and no doubt in Rome in 200 AD, and Sumer in 3500 BCE. Damn frustrating, I admit, but nothing you've written convinces me you have the magic answer. (I'm more upset by their hoards of money while people in the hollows of Kentucky have no jobs, than their guns). I'm puzzled by your last comment about imprison anyone rebalancing the power. Are you really worried that we tiny little gnats who work for gun-control will actually take away everyone's guns (except for the 1% of course) someday? You've already got the 1% out-gunned by about 5000 to 1, don't you think?

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