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pablo_marmol

(2,375 posts)
186. "I know you are, but what am I?"
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 11:08 PM
Mar 2015

I cite the work of highly credentialed liberal criminologists, while you cite the work of completely uncredentialed and willfully ignorant media bloviators......then foolishly claim a false equivalency by stating that I'm playing "I know you are, but what am I?" LOL!

Here's some "NRA talking points" for you:

http://www.amazon.com/Under-Gun-Weapons-Violence-America/dp/0202303063/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1425783536&sr=1-1&keywords=under+the+gun+wright+rossi

http://www.amazon.com/Restricting-Handguns-Liberal-Skeptics-Speak/dp/0884270343/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1425783573&sr=1-1&keywords=the+liberal+skeptics+speak+out

http://www.amazon.com/Targeting-Guns-Firearms-Control-Institutions/dp/0202305694/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1425783714&sr=1-1&keywords=targeting+guns+kleck

And here's Kleck in person......yeah --- he really comes across as "a biased NRA yahoo"



Who do you think you're fooling?



Bye bye!
Yes, Then you. Apply "fox"style math. tradewinds Jan 2015 #1
We tested what the actual majority thought little more than a month ago. kioa Jan 2015 #27
Right <30% voter turnout. Good analogy. tradewinds Jan 2015 #33
Gun Control was the only issue that led to recalls (3 of them) kioa Jan 2015 #36
You must be happy that they lost. tblue Jan 2015 #41
Happy? No. I want the Democratic Party to be a national party. kioa Jan 2015 #42
+1,000,000,000 NT pablo_marmol Mar 2015 #173
(psst! The gunthusiast that you're high-fiving got PPRd...) Electric Monk Mar 2015 #187
This message was self-deleted by its author pablo_marmol Mar 2015 #190
Seems as though his "crime" was caring about how dishonesty pablo_marmol Mar 2015 #191
Nope Shamash Jan 2015 #43
Exactly. Thank you very much. NT pablo_marmol Mar 2015 #174
Thing is those weapons designed only to kill aren't available to the public ileus Jan 2015 #2
facts really do not matter Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #4
I'll be the first to say NJCher Jan 2015 #5
So guns are only for dumb people... ileus Jan 2015 #6
I didn't exactly say that NJCher Jan 2015 #49
Wow!!!! GGJohn Jan 2015 #50
Those folks just fake it for votes....no serious intellectual would touch a firearm. ileus Jan 2015 #64
yeah NJCher Jan 2015 #94
Well, let's just pick your statement apart. GGJohn Jan 2015 #95
I can list a few gejohnston Jan 2015 #53
You can include sarisataka Jan 2015 #54
Maya Angelou is the only one who would qualify as an intellectual NJCher Jan 2015 #104
You just keep digging yourself deeper and deeper with your elitist bullshit. GGJohn Jan 2015 #106
kind of moved the goal posts didn't you? gejohnston Jan 2015 #118
The folks who claim the last election was lost due to gun control shows you how much they have guns Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #125
care to answer many of the questions asked of you in these posts? Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #126
When you have guns on the brain there is no point debating, arguing I am good with. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #128
Another none answer Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #130
Hemenway? Probably not... petronius Jan 2015 #109
I know a whole hospital of them. ileus Jan 2015 #63
Why am I arguing this point with NJCher Jan 2015 #105
So now we're just a bunch of country bumpkins? GGJohn Jan 2015 #107
Let me guess? DonP Jan 2015 #108
Point? Straw Man Jan 2015 #110
Tennessee Williams won that match by a mile! nt Eleanors38 Mar 2015 #188
Of course only Intellectuals are accomplished. ileus Jan 2015 #112
"That will be my last post on this topic." Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #114
What ignorant nonsense Lurks Often Jan 2015 #98
Those folks aren't bonafide accomplished... ileus Jan 2015 #113
"Who go out shooting, etc.?" Brickbat Jan 2015 #119
Much may depend on where you live. There are gun friendly states and ... spin Jan 2015 #131
If you don't feel the need for guns, that's your Right. kioa Jan 2015 #37
you must be a dumb knuckledragging gun owner.... ileus Jan 2015 #65
Here's something meathead Jan 2015 #111
that's not an impressive statistic CreekDog Jan 2015 #149
Well, let's expand a little Big_Mike Mar 2015 #168
I would submit to you... Veganstein Jan 2015 #155
No civilian has much use for machines made to kill, guns, thank you for acknowledging that. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #71
Oh really? Starboard Tack Jan 2015 #86
Nope...it's designed to protect/save lives. ileus Jan 2015 #93
Lemme think now... Starboard Tack Jan 2015 #97
Now now....lying is a sin. ileus Jan 2015 #101
You calling me a liar? So these are not your words? Starboard Tack Jan 2015 #117
not very factual Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #3
The author disqualifies himself the moment he uses terms like "fanatic", "gun crazy", and the like. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #7
Bravo, I could not have stated it better than you just did Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #10
are you saying that fanatics of any kind do not exist? CreekDog Jan 2015 #150
CreekDoggieDogg! NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #153
OPS: Gun fanatics exist, yes, as do gun control fanatics. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #157
All this talk about the selfless morality of gun control advocates Shamash Jan 2015 #8
I don't think your numbers are correct. BigAlanMac Jan 2015 #16
If you can show me where I am wrong, I'll correct it Shamash Jan 2015 #20
correction gejohnston Jan 2015 #22
correction correction? Shamash Jan 2015 #23
I haven't looked at the UCR lately gejohnston Jan 2015 #24
Copy the links I provided Shamash Jan 2015 #25
Not accepting change... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2015 #21
So gun control advocates have neither the passion nor the votes hack89 Jan 2015 #9
Not true now unrepentant progress Jan 2015 #11
Agreed BrotherIvan Jan 2015 #12
Not really. Gun control is possible, it's already here. And we do this for your children and theirs NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #13
That delusion is killing Americans BrotherIvan Jan 2015 #14
What gun control will eliminate suicides? hack89 Jan 2015 #17
he will not answer Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #31
Most of them.yes. Gun control can greatly reduce suicides. tradewinds Jan 2015 #34
Care to give some details? hack89 Jan 2015 #35
I would like to see those Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #39
.. tradewinds Jan 2015 #56
About as much detail as they deserve for their never ending demands for proof and links.... Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #67
Ya, like all those folks who shot themselves would just find another way. tradewinds Jan 2015 #72
been there, done that sarisataka Jan 2015 #77
Well, this is their "safe haven" from the rest of DU, you would think that would give them a clue... Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #79
GC&RKBA is not a safe haven, while GCRA is. See each "about this group". Electric Monk Jan 2015 #80
I meant safe heaven for the gun control opposers. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #81
Who here opposes gun control? hack89 Jan 2015 #82
What gun control measures do you fully support? Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #83
Everything except AWB and registration Nt hack89 Jan 2015 #84
and a nationally organized gun amnesty for folks to return unwanted firearms. gejohnston Jan 2015 #85
cool so criminals Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #88
Really? GGJohn Jan 2015 #90
and how does that work Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #99
Hey EM, I feel I have a duty to report this to you. beevul Jan 2015 #138
It's about gun trolls on DU, so it's about discussing gun control reform in a supportive environment Electric Monk Jan 2015 #139
I somehow doubt you read the SOP that loosely for everyone. beevul Jan 2015 #140
If anything, its a bit meta, but GCRA doesn't have a hard and fast rule about meta threads Electric Monk Jan 2015 #141
Other than the SOP which you otherwise, zealously enforce. beevul Jan 2015 #142
Would you like me to call you a whaaambulance? That Group is not yours, nor is it for you. nt Electric Monk Jan 2015 #143
And I'm not posting there nor have I. beevul Jan 2015 #144
You are like a Catholic trying to control what can be posted in the Atheists Group. Electric Monk Jan 2015 #145
Nonsense. Complete and utter nonsense. beevul Jan 2015 #146
You are like a Catholic trying to control what can be posted in the Atheists Group, indeed. Electric Monk Jan 2015 #147
Says the host of the forum with all the blocked members. N/T beevul Jan 2015 #148
we do not require one Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #87
And consider that the list would be **MUCH** longer if so many of us pablo_marmol Mar 2015 #171
at least some of us Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #76
Yeah, when people like you make wild accusations, then we do ask for links and proof, GGJohn Jan 2015 #89
I have noticed it a few times Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #100
The entire nation of Japan is evidence to the contrary. nt branford Jan 2015 #38
Other suicide methods have a lower success rate. jeff47 Jan 2015 #55
in Australia gejohnston Jan 2015 #57
Look at the gun suicide demographic hack89 Jan 2015 #58
You'd probably take a chunk out with mental health screening jeff47 Jan 2015 #61
Here sarisataka Jan 2015 #60
Many years ago BigAlanMac Jan 2015 #62
Really? I was in the bed next to the same guy. He never walked again. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #68
Yeah, sure you were. GGJohn Jan 2015 #91
Eliminating suicides would require eliminating depression, you got the answer to eliminating Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #74
So let's hear your detailed plan. Nt hack89 Jan 2015 #75
you're saying that for gun control to be successful CreekDog Jan 2015 #151
No - don't think that at all. No law is perfect. hack89 Jan 2015 #154
you said "eliminate suicides" CreekDog Jan 2015 #156
Ok. No gun control law can significantly reduced the numbers of suicides hack89 Jan 2015 #158
I like that comparison Shamash Jan 2015 #19
Maybe we just need more guns, already we are the highest gun ownership per capita randys1 Jan 2015 #26
Maybe we do. GGJohn Jan 2015 #29
To protect folks from so many guns, we need MORE guns...the logical fail is painful. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #44
More than 85% of sexual assauts are by an unarmed attacker. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #51
No.......no it doesn't. pablo_marmol Jan 2015 #15
You have shown yourself fit to moderate Bansalot hack89 Jan 2015 #18
I almost stopped reading this piece of agitprop when in the beginning of the second paragraph branford Jan 2015 #28
Applause! Well said, sir. Shamash Jan 2015 #30
Indeed, it makes our case like most other unsubstantive anti-gun articles posted hereabouts. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #32
Thank you, kind sir Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #40
No need to cast the NRA as the "tempting" devil, whatever that means, the NRA does that well all Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #45
"Defense of the NRA" in this group has been largely in *your* posts recently friendly_iconoclast Jan 2015 #47
Do give Fred credit sarisataka Jan 2015 #66
What are you going on about now, spending time concocting a web of rather creepy guilt by Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #69
Guilt by association... sarisataka Jan 2015 #73
Who here is defending the NRA? GGJohn Jan 2015 #48
I know I have asked many times Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #52
Thank you for proving my point about the article and those individuals branford Jan 2015 #59
The NRA is not evil, the men who run it are. Wayne Lapierre....need I say more? Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #70
Yes, you need to say more . . . branford Jan 2015 #78
It certainly does- it is an excellent example of 'false consensus effect' in action friendly_iconoclast Jan 2015 #46
The fundamental truth of "tactical" guns krispos42 Jan 2015 #92
Let's examine that statement Shamash Jan 2015 #96
Welcome to DU krispos42 Jan 2015 #102
Amusingly wrong Shamash Jan 2015 #115
You know what's funny? krispos42 Jan 2015 #121
They just will not admit that guns are designed and intended to be used as killing machines....after Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #116
Your "NRA" (or rather, your perception of it) is no different than Jack Van Impe's "Satan"... friendly_iconoclast Jan 2015 #120
Many guns are designed and optimized to be used against people krispos42 Jan 2015 #122
Killing machine is to inamiate object as nuclear bomb is to hunk of metal. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #123
care to answer a question or questions? Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #127
Post removed Post removed Jan 2015 #129
There is a group who would outlaw guns for general use altogether. Chemisse Jan 2015 #103
That's a lot of words just to say, "I'm smart and everyone who disagrees with me is dumb --and evil" Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #124
Perfect Matrosov Jan 2015 #132
Link? GGJohn Jan 2015 #133
I'm not sure how common it is any more--trolling patterns do seem to have petronius Jan 2015 #134
Thanks for the information. GGJohn Jan 2015 #135
Here are some Matrosov Jan 2015 #136
Thanks. GGJohn Jan 2015 #137
So what ultra liberal gun grabber do you think they were? hack89 Jan 2015 #159
I think *some* of the "ULGG" sorts may be trolling-it's a hard question, For Sure friendly_iconoclast Jan 2015 #161
Those links are years old. ManiacJoe Jan 2015 #160
It's a long term problem, not just a flash in the pan. It's naive to think it's not still happening. Electric Monk Jan 2015 #162
K&R.... daleanime Jan 2015 #152
kicking this for the gun nuts, because I know they won't like being reminded that they are gun nuts. Electric Monk Mar 2015 #163
I love the smell of cheap stereotyping and self-righteousness in the morning friendly_iconoclast Mar 2015 #164
Did you have anything to add? Straw Man Mar 2015 #165
Slow day down in the whine cellar? Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #166
must be Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #167
Culture war still smells like a skidmark, even if a NYer writer indulges. nt Eleanors38 Mar 2015 #189
There *are* limits on "weapons intended only to kill en masse". benEzra Mar 2015 #169
Cool story bro. NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #170
"I think this paragraph.........." LOL! Of course you would! pablo_marmol Mar 2015 #172
Kleck? Yeah, no bias there, LOL, and what does your quote even have to do with the OP? Electric Monk Mar 2015 #175
And of course Kleck has responded to his critics, but you'll never read his rebuttals. pablo_marmol Mar 2015 #176
Ok, lets try something more recent Electric Monk Mar 2015 #179
This message was self-deleted by its author gejohnston Mar 2015 #180
"This is starting to feel like a grade-school playground." pablo_marmol Mar 2015 #181
Thanks for further proving my point with your "I know you are, but what am I?" Electric Monk Mar 2015 #184
You have never, and will never here me quote John Lott. pablo_marmol Mar 2015 #185
"I know you are, but what am I?" pablo_marmol Mar 2015 #186
Chanting "NRA talking point(s)" is neither a rebuttal nor a saving throw friendly_iconoclast Mar 2015 #182
"You guys are proving the point from the OP, ironically, that it's a relatively small group pablo_marmol Mar 2015 #183
bias? gejohnston Mar 2015 #177
a rebuttal to your OP Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #178
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