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Response to benEzra (Reply #88)

Tue May 26, 2015, 10:12 AM

96. the wall challenge, 22rf vs .223 fmj

ezra:The simple fact is that the most popular civilian rifle in the United States is also among the least misused guns in the United States.

You know why of course, an upper class white man's toy, overpriced for most all others; & other than the joy of target shooting which is about as popular overall as reruns of general hospital soaps, lesser cost firearms would suffice for the average gun owner, far moreso for under classes, & criminal elements.

ezra: No, I mean *all* handgun rounds. .223 JHP penetrates less in building materials than any effective centerfire handgun JHP or SP I am aware of.

Changing the goalposts? here is what you originally wrote: They {ar15's} are an excellent choice of defensive long gun for the home, offering almost as much effectiveness as a shotgun with less hazard to neighbors/bystanders than buckshot or handgun rounds.

Gun owners don't use 22 rimfires for home defense?
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The .223 has about 10 times more kinetic energy than a 22 short or long (by plurality used most to commit suicide). Not possible the .223 is less hazard.
.. An ar15 - 0.223 fmj carries 3 times more kinetic energy at close range than a 357 magnum, 4 times more than a 9mm. You are contending the .223 is somehow 'less hazard' to bystanders & neighbors, than those?
Dare: I will stand behind a drywall & paneling & be shot at by a 22 rimfire, you stand behind it & get shot at by an ar15. Deal?

Gun ......... kinetic energy joules
12 ga shotgun ........4453
30-06 hunting rifle ..4050
.308 hunting rifle ...3217
AK47 7.62/39 .... 2045 (123 grain)
AR15 .223 ........ 1854 (55-62 grain)
357 magnum........ 672
9 mm ...................467
.38 pistol ...............245

22 rifle 168 http://wredlich.com/ny/2013/01/projectiles-muzzle-energy-stopping-power/

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