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jimmy the one

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22. bracketing
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 01:15 PM
Feb 2016

dscntnt: following are taken from the Oxford English Dictionary......and bracket in time the writing of the 2nd amendment:

You, or rather your source, simply cite, evidently, anecdotal writings from here & there, with no definition of 'regulate' provided, as I did by citing webster's 1828 dictionary, & herewith by citing samuel johnsons's 1755 dictionary, both of which bracket the writing of the 2ndA:

Sam Johnson's 1755 Dictionary
Régulate. v.a. [regula, Lat.] To adjust by rule or method.
Nature, in the production of things, always designs them to partake of certain, regulated, established essences, which are to be the models of all things to be produced: this, in that crude sense, would need some better explication. Locke.
To direct. Regulate the patient in his manner of living. Wiseman. Ev'n goddesses are women; and no wife
Has pow'r to regulate her husband's life. Dryden.

http://johnsonsdictionaryonline.com/?p=8802

dscntnt link: The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected.

Well regulated could certainly be used in that fashion, and this argument could certainly be incorporated into its 2ndA interpretation, but in itself does not exclude rules & regulations over firearm use in the militia, and control thereof while in militia. Firearms would most surely need be calibrated & functioning correctly.

Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it.

Specious. Controlling citizen's arms was not much a concern in 1791, they weren't as dangerous as guns today; it was more like prompting them to own arms for militia duty since they were so short handed.

WHAT THE HELL??? Herman4747 Feb 2016 #1
1. It's not a "mere property" right. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2016 #2
sure are a lot of gun toting pre-school dangerous criminals in the USa nt msongs Feb 2016 #3
What does that even mean? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2016 #4
That poster seldom makes sense DonP Feb 2016 #7
It's like having someone angrily throw a fistful of feathers at you. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2016 #8
A switchblade can be used in "self-defense"... Herman4747 Feb 2016 #9
If someone used a switchblade to fight of a violent criminal attacker that law would serve no Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2016 #11
Yes. beevul Feb 2016 #15
do you know why switchblades are banned? gejohnston Feb 2016 #17
I don't think that call is yours to make.... beevul Feb 2016 #5
If it were about "right to life", benEzra Feb 2016 #6
Interesting that you should mention "bicycle"... Herman4747 Feb 2016 #10
How about alcohol? No one ever stopped an attacker by getting drunk. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2016 #12
I'm not in a place where I can commute, benEzra Feb 2016 #21
False dichotomy. Lizzie Poppet Feb 2016 #19
walk like an egyptian jimmy the one Feb 2016 #13
So you're adopting the RW interpretations. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2016 #14
The following are taken from the Oxford English Dictionary... discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2016 #16
bracketing jimmy the one Feb 2016 #22
re: "Controlling citizen's arms was not much a concern in 1791, they weren't as dangerous..." discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2016 #23
Since the amendment doesn't restrict the RKBA to the militia... Lizzie Poppet Feb 2016 #18
You're correct but it's t fictions of others we're confronting. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2016 #20
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