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Response to aurelius2112 (Reply #17)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 12:51 PM

35. I didn't say anything about doing nothing

first, the UC Davis "researcher" is an MD and a gun control activist. The study was not peer reviewed and would not pass any peer review. Basically, his study had a under grad walk around a gun show and count the number of straw purchases he thought he saw. If you actually read the study, it is a POS.
Under the tenth amendment and the Commerce Clause, the gun law would be about the same as our drug laws. If you look at the Wright Rossi study, you will find that criminals don't go to FFLs or gun shows.

Also, regardless of the press releases put out by the Howard government, which the media copies and pastes without doing any researching it, Australia is not a success story. First, Australia does not have any federal gun laws. Using the FBI definition of "mass shooting" they had the same number before NFA as after, one.
What the National Firearms Agreement did was blackmail the states into making their gun laws more uniform and ban and confiscate registered semi automatic and pump action long guns from licensed gun owners. Every state had licensing and at least two had registration. Tasmania was the most liberal because you could have a full auto with the same license as a semi auto. That had nothing to do with the mass murder often touted about because his low IQ and history of violence would have prevented him from legally owning a gun, and the gun he used was stolen from a police armory in a different state. Victoria State Police to be exact. It did not affect the murder rate because it simply dropped at the same rate it was before NFA. Same with suicide. It still hasn't done anything about the drive by shootings in parts of Sydney and Perth. Still does nothing about organized crime smuggling guns in, or the biker gangs making their own automatic weapons. One in ten guns confiscated by police is the latter. The Australian Federal Police have no clue how many illegal guns there are.
BTW, New Zealand did nothing with their gun laws and had the exact same effect, dropping murder rate.
Here is a pre NFA study
https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/publications/abstract.aspx?ID=160202
I can't find it at the moment, but a study published in a UK criminology journal outlined the failure of the NFA.
If gun control is so effective, why haven't laws stricter than Australia, including compete bans, prevented most of the countries in the world, including our southern neighbor, to have murder rates several times worse than ours? Also, Australia is nothing like the US. They have a different culture with a different crime problem. Most of their murders victims are killed inside their homes, often by home invasions. Ours is mostly criminals killing each other in a few urban pockets. Most of the country is as safe or safer than there. That is why I go back to these causes
extreme wealth inequality
poor and crumbling infrastructure. Flint isn't alone nor the first with undrinkable water, it just made the news.
violent drug gangs
political corruption

Fix those, you fix 80 percent of our murder problem.

NRA does an excellent job getting the word out ........ "dem dam liberals are gunna take yur gun" if we let them pass one law!
Talk about some good koolaid.
There are those who openly advocate prohibition, and Australia was confiscation, so your argument isn't valid. That is simply part of their ideology. the only difference between ideology and religion is the sky daddy.

Car manufacturers are improving their products.....what has the NRA done?
The most popular handguns are made in Austria and Germany, perhaps you should ask their equivalents. Cars and guns are not the same thing. In terms of safety, gun manufactures have made improvements without any government mandate here or there. The same can not be said about cars.

The consensus of criminologists is that gun laws do not affect crime rates. Every time they are shown to be ineffective, the prohibitionist lobby "just one more law". That is true here as it is in Australia and Canada. Some biker gangs does a drive by with his basement made machine gun in Merrylands area of Sydney, some Green PM will scream for more restrictions on licensed gun owners. They know one has nothing to do with the other, but they don't care. It is about ideology and culture war. Like Bloomberg and the former Monsanto PR flack he hired to create MDA don't give a rat's ass about solutions or saving lives. Their naive followers do, but they don't. When they call fewer gun murders and suicides, although the rates didn't change at all. The means simply change, they call that a success. I don't. When I see them do that, I'm more convinced that it is about personal power and paycheck.

Here is a suggested reading list
http://www.amazon.com/Point-Blank-Guns-Violence-America/dp/020230762X
http://www.amazon.com/Targeting-Guns-Firearms-Control-Institutions/dp/0202305694/ref=pd_bxgy_14_img_3?ie=UTF8&refRID=031J13AJFM1X4A2H4TDS
http://www.amazon.com/Armed-Considered-Dangerous-Peter-Rossi/dp/0202362426/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1319354875&sr=1-1

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