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Response to beevul (Reply #42)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 02:36 PM

43. OK - maybe unfetterred was not the best word to use

 

And I would like to remind you of the definition of pretense:
Simple Definition of pretense

: a false reason or explanation that is used to hide the real purpose of something

: an act or appearance that looks real but is false

: a claim of having a particular quality, ability, condition, etc.


Please help me to understand, what you think my pretense is?
My most simplistic thought - Bad people with guns kill people, when 10,000s of people die in our great country due to guns, we need to do something about it.
You call this pretense?
Please let me know, what I am thinking, so I'll know too.


I like your fact links and the detailed responses, but how can we move forward?
Are you stating no gun control ever?
Our system is perfect as is?
Improve the ATF?
Let me know, what you are thinking...... instead of me making proposals and you knocking them down.


I respect your opinion on no referendum, but the quote you posted from the SC does not mention guns at all.
It mentions the bill of rights, but in the justice;s response, he does not list guns at all.
Amend the constitution! We can do it, they put that in there too!


Banning semi-auto -- non-starter.
OK
Then we'll just add a mental heath evaluation and mandatory training before purchasing a gun
I do not think this point is unreasonable at all.
Why pro-gun activists like to defend giving guns to possibly schicophrenic people, is beyond me.


The current laws do not filter out mentally ill people (I know this is a big one to discuss since its so broad) but this would definitely help to limit the firearm deaths.


Punishment:
No one's rights have been put on the chopping block.
I proposed increasing the mandatory sentencing requirements for people who do not follow the current gun laws.
A strong punishment does send a message to people who are not following the rules.
Law abiding citizens as yourself would not see a change at all.
Maybe steer the "fine" money to training/shooting centers.



DMV and Mental Health Screening:
This is just my proposal.
Get it done at the same time so we can evaluate the person's well being to drive a car and own a gun.
Social responsibility to protect our neighborhoods, towns, cities, etc...

Compromise:
Of course I want it my way and you want it yours.
But if we both agree that we disagree, then the subject goes nowhere.
If the "people" can agree on some consensus points, then we can pressure our congressmen/politicians to move forward with improving our safety.
I've already proposed many options to many issues surrounding gun control.
Can you share some of your ideas?
Sound good?

Bad people:
To focus on the bad people, we need a filter to identify them.
How do you propose to weed them out?
Previous armed felons? Mentally ill people beyond XYZ criteria? (dementia, etc)
How to filter is the question not whether or not we do it....imo.

The NRA:
They show little to no responsibility of how their industry they support, influences Americans on an everyday basis.
Ford improves their products all the time and they become safer each year.
Ford pays their fair share of lawsuits the gun industry does not.
NRA does.........
Please help me to fill in this blank.....what do they do?

Sueing the Gun Manufacturers:
Although this will never happen(sueing the industry), we should hold the gun industry accountable from a social aspect.
NRA funded training for semi-automatic weapons.
NRA funded gun cabinet program.
Tax credits for gun owners who participate in the programs.

Laws protecting the gun industry:
It will always be about money period.
You make a good point that the lawsuit would go beyond the 2nd amendment, which is not acceptable.
However, I still believe we need to move forward with some sort of liability for the gun industry.
Better training, increased safety, improved vetting process for new gun owners, etc...
The gun industry should be helping us make it a safer place in America not blocking all forms of reform.

Aviation Order:
Good link.
Although Clinton did sign this, we limited the protection for 18 years.
I would agree to a limited protection agreement for all guns on the market.
20 years? 30 years? When does the gun become unsafe?
Periodic checks of guns over 30 years old to deem them safe or possibly list them as "antique" and not for use?

Consumer Protection:
I know the USA is lawsuit happy, but I truly believe the gun industry needs to help make it safer.
We do not need more lawsuits, but we do need to reduce the firearm deaths by quite a lot.

Thank you for posting good links.










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