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Response to aurelius2112 (Reply #41)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 02:46 PM

44. still not one valid argument

and you failed to

My "talking points" are statements of fact.

You definitely know more about the gun industry than I do, however let me pose a situation to you, when the homicide becomes personal, would you change your position?
No. In fact, I would become less qualified to advocate public policy on guns for that very reason. That said, a kid in fourth grade class saved his and his mother's lives because he had access to a gun. The abusive drunk for a step dad that was in the process of literally beating his mom to death, not so much. Being white, not part of a gang or associate with organized crime, means that I am less likely to be a murder victim in the US than, say, Europe.
Let me ask you a question, do people have the right to defend themselves? Should they have the best means available? Please, don't drag out the discredited Kellermann "study".
Here is another question. If a rampage killer uses a gun, why are there weeks of hand wringing by politicians and pundits but Kill as many people with car, or even more people with a gallon of gas, it is a local story for a day?
I can point to the law that shows where target pistols like the Walther GSP are banned as an "assault weapon". That is not a talking point. A talking point is simply a PR release that anyone can recite without thought. It has nothing to do with the accuracy.

When do you decide to look beyond defending your pro-gun position and reach out beyond to create safer gun ownership for all Americans?
When I hear a valid argument based on facts, evidence, and reason from your side. Like the "ban pitbull" activists, anti pot, and anti gay marriage supporters, all of the arguments are emotional based and are various logical fallacies strung together. An example of where it actually works would help also. I have an open mind, but I'm one of those people who are convinced only by empirical evidence and facts.

Everybody wants to save lives. Great. I showed my solutions to almost of all murders in the US without banning a single gun. BTW, 8K people were murdered with a gun last year out of a total of 11K. 14K died of heroin overdose. That is one quarter of OD deaths in the US. When are we going to ban heroin? It doesn't matter where you are in the world, if you can get coke or heroin, you can get a gun.

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