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Response to aurelius2112 (Reply #48)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 06:37 PM

50. "Assault weapons" are civilian non-automatics (mostly small caliber), not machineguns.

"Not everyone can handle machine guns. (I'm sure you don't want to see multiple posts of accidental shooting with machine guns).
Improved training? Yearly renewals on licenses? On specific guns only?

Solutions from the pro-gun side? "


"Assault weapons" are civilian non-automatics, not machineguns. They are also the most popular non-automatic civilian rifles in U.S. homes. The most common ones are small caliber (e.g. a basic AR-15 is a centerfire .22).

I own an AR-15 myself, a Rock River model with a target barrel, and shoot it recreationally and competitively; it doesn't fire any faster than an ordinary pistol, and is somewhat slower to reload. It is also too way big to conceal, which is probably why rifles are so rarely used to kill people.

Out of ~12,000 murders annually, the FBI says less than 250 involved rifles. (The true number is probably around 270, or a little over 5 murders per year, per state.) That makes rifles, including "assault weapons", the least misused of all weapons in the United States.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/table-20

The prohibitionists aren't trying to ban "assault weapons" because they are commonly misused, or because they are more lethal than other guns, but because they are the most popular rifles owned by gun enthusiasts. The whole "assault weapon" fraud was intended by its creator (Josh Sugarmann of the Violence Policy Center) as a way to build momentum for more comprehensive gun bans, not as a means to address gun violence. Rifle violence is lower now than it has ever been.

Did you know that "assault weapons" (including AR-15's) are legal across most of Europe? Here are a bunch of European sport shooters shooting AR-15's in their home countries: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=189580

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