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Response to beevul (Reply #59)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 03:04 PM

61. Simple Definition of conjecture : an opinion or idea formed without proof or sufficient evidence

 

Please do not label me as another anti-gunner, I have come here with an open mind to the issue with the objective of trying to draw some consensus to this issue. You show little character as you attach broad labels to anyone outside of your ring.

Your talking points are awash in false pretense and incorrect information. How many examples from this thread would you like? How any of us views "everyone who is anti-gun" is not the question. How any of us would could and should view someone using well worn anti-gun talking points and false pretenses IS the question, because that's what YOU have done in just about every post in this thread.


The talking points are worn out because their is no solution yet and nor do you seem to want one.
You defend owning a gun (which I also support as a RIGHT) yet you want to ignore the 1% of bad people who own a gun for devious purposes.

False pretense/Incorrect information?
My goal is to reduce firearm deaths........
There are many avoidable firearm deaths in the USA. Which I guess you don't care since its not close to your personal life.
So I guess you don't agree its a problem that "other" people kill each other with firearms....... "not my problem bud".
(hope your not going to church on Sunday with that thought process)


anti-gun talking points viewpoint?
Sooooo, if I joined the NRA and owned multiple guns and went to shooting events then you would listen to my "reduce firearm deaths" talking points?
And I snicker at your label anti-gun, I am not anti-gun, but want to see something done to reduce the firearm deaths.
Sorry that you prefer to make it black v white, but I'm just not that person. (insert your conjecture here....)


gun control box?

My short list - hopefully outside of the box.
- So no banning of any weapon would be ok. No guns banned at all is a good idea?
- But would enforcing background checks universally be ok? At private sales as well?
- Universal Mandatory training @ 12th grade or up for new gun owners.
- Mental health evaluation for serious brain diseases? People with dementia or similar should not have guns.
- Gun cabinet (with lock) rebate program from the Government? Accidental deaths happen everyday in the USA since the guns are not locked away from children to "play with". Hopefully still outside of the box, since I have already "given" you no bans on any gun.

I am thinking the main reason no one wants to add to my list, is that all of you are afraid of appearing to negotiate with the enemy.

Solution based strategy:
So I'm on the right track here.

No ban on semi-autos?
No ban on any gun?
Is that better than what you have now?
I asked for your input and threw out what I have been seeing in other posts.
Its not my goal to ban anything, although I must admit one of my first posts indicated that they supported banning them (my fault)

Leave us alone mentality
I will not stop trying to reduce unnecessary deaths in the USA. Firearms are the most dangerous product we can purchase at Walmart at any time by almost anybody.
This is a problem that the pro-gun side refuses to acknowledge and address.
(They'll go away if we are mean and nasty to them and say no to everything they propose)
I like you guys, I'm gonna drop by and chat with everyone now and again

Owning a gun is a RIGHT:
I agree and can see why there is alot of passion behind keeping it the way it is, after reading many posters.
But hopefully we can agree on implementing measures to reduce the death rate.
Keep your gun but help reduce the firearm death rate......sound like the middle now?

Universal 12th grade training:
Interesting proposal - educate everyone on safety so they understand the correct way to handle a gun.
I like it. Now we need funding.
I'll digress and also wonder if universal alcohol/drug abuse training should be mandatory across the USA.



Background Checks at shows.
Although I am not a firearm numbers guy, I would imagine the risk is not that high, but why would we allow a certain group of people to be outside the law? Why did the Brady bill leave that out?
Seems like common sense to me. to hold the law over everyone universally.
Obviously most "bad" guns are not coming from the shows. But some are, I will suppose.
If we can stop one person from killing their nemesis with a gun bought at a show, then I'm for it.

I hate to ask a question at the end of an answer, but why do gun show people object to background checks?
Too hard?
Too much $$ to vet people out?
Or in my uneducated opinion.....too lazy cuz its easier to just take cash.


What would I give up in return?
No bans on any gun?
But enforcement and background checks are strictly enforced.
I really don't know what the pro-gun side wants as a bargaining chip.
.50 caliber rifles?
A program similar to the airlines TSA Precheck?
All gun owners that have been prescreened do not have to go through a background check?
I really don't know what your side would want or accept from the anti-gun side except just leave the guns alone.


Still a good conversation - I like this forum and the people.

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