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Response to aurelius2112 (Reply #72)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 01:51 PM

75. I'll stand pat.

 

I like how the post ends, pondering if the NRA has the same type of guide.
Probably the exact opposite. Stick with the facts and don't get emotional.
Hence the deep divisions between the sides.


If there is one, the anti-gunners can't seem to find it or provide evidence of its existence. We on the other hand have documented at least 2 different anti-gun talking point manuals.

But your comments appear to indicate a certain level of insensitivity to other firearm deaths.


Debates are no place for emotion, they're a place for logic and reason.

But the bigger problem, I now realize, is to go back to the anti-gun side and get them to tone down the total ban attacks and get them to see the subtle changes required to move this subject forward.


I'll probably spend more time bitching at them to tone it down, than the time I've spent here understanding the root cause for the pro-gun stance.


I wish you luck. You should, however, be forewarned. Engaging anti-gunners as you describe will get you labeled a 'gun humper', an 'ammosexual', inferences that you're 'compensating', and much worse". I suggest you skim this thread, it is an eye opener:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/11729858

Firearms aren't the most dangerous product to buy at Walmart?
I hope you were smiling when you wrote that one.


I guess I don't view things the same way as you. Something is either potentially lethal, or it isn't, as far as I'm concerned. I don't differentiate much deeper than that, since it is how an individual decides to use a thing, that determines its lethality, not the thing itself.

This is where I like to propose mandatory universal training in 12th grade(thanks gejohnston!)


That wasn't GE, it was me.

To me the word arms is just that .... a word.
The issue at hand is reducing firearm deaths by some means.
I don;t want to debate what is considered an "arm" for war use or for recreational use.


Debating it wasn't really the point. Pointing out that were way past the middle towards the prohibitionist end of the scale right here and right now today, was the point.

Its also interesting that you compare gun ownership to free speech and voting.
I get the Bill of Rights reference, but not much after that.


Fundamental rights are fundamental rights, in this case, fundamental constitutionally protected civil rights. If a restriction or condition wouldn't be tolerated on voting rights, why should it be tolerated on second amendment rights which enjoy greater protection than voting rights? Or, for more of a direct parallel, why should restrictions be tolerated on second amendment rights, which would never be tolerated on first amendment rights?


16. National wide open carry reciprocity?


Not open carry, concealed carry.


Eliminate Gun free zones? - This is a tough one for me to agree on, since I am about choice for the people.


Gun free zones eliminate freedom of choice for people who carry.

If the town wants a gun free zone, then they should vote for it and implement it, if they don;t want it, then don;t create a referendum for it.


I see. And if they want to bring back slavery, enact debtors prisons or bring back tar and feathering, using the process you've outlined?


This has to be to protect the gun/ammo manufacturers here in the USA


No, its generally because the firearms in question offended someones delicate sensibilities.







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