Second on the serious time for gun crimes and follow up on straw sales (Reply #55)

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Tue Sep 6, 2016, 05:07 PM

DonP (6,185 posts)

55. Second on the serious time for gun crimes and follow up on straw sales

Most of the state rifle associations I have contact with, support stricter sentences for crimes involving guns. Preferably with mandatory multi-years sentence minimums for repeat offenders.

Right now, if you attempt a straw buy, all that usually happens is you get denied and walk away, unless you have an outstanding warrant that pops up. These should all be investigated and prosecuted.

Part of the problem in Chicago is, criminals getting an early release to the street because gun crimes are plea bargained away as a first step. So you have criminals back on the street in a few weeks rejoining their gang and having a gun.

(FYI: The average time from a gun being stolen to being used in a crime is 6 and 1/2 years now. Most of our crime guns come from right here in Illinois 67%, Mississippi is second at 18% and Indiana/Wisconsin are tied for a distant 4th place. Source: Illinois State Police Crime Guns Report, 2015)

The legislature tried to pass stricter sentencing laws in 2013 and it got blocked by the Illinois Black Legislative Caucus in committee. They offered no alternatives.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-11-08/news/ct-met-illinois-legislature-emanuel-guns-1108-20131108_1_gun-bill-gun-legislation-lawmakers

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90 replies	Author	Time	Post
Gun Control has devolved to absolute fabrication [View all]	Nuclear Unicorn	Aug 2016	OP
I have seen that and laugh	Duckhunter935	Aug 2016	#1
A jury removed a post of mine because I stated that Bill Clinton signed major gun legislation	krispos42	Aug 2016	#2
Recounting the fact Bill Clinton signed a law they want reenacted is a RW smear?	Nuclear Unicorn	Aug 2016	#3
I agree	Duckhunter935	Aug 2016	#5
I like the appeal process	Duckhunter935	Aug 2016	#4
That is ridiculous.	guillaumeb	Sep 2016	#36
It was, thankfully.	krispos42	Sep 2016	#44
Given enough manure a bad idea will grow.	JonathanRackham	Aug 2016	#6
They really are pathetic, but the lies are all they have	Lurks Often	Aug 2016	#7
I don't want to get into the habit of doing what they do: Congratulating ourselves	Nuclear Unicorn	Aug 2016	#8
Agreed n/t	Lurks Often	Aug 2016	#11
Well, lies and misplaced hope	DonP	Aug 2016	#10
I find it especially ironic	sarisataka	Aug 2016	#9
I know, right, lol	Duckhunter935	Aug 2016	#18
Change a few words...	beevul	Aug 2016	#12
That description also holds for another group at DU. eom	guillaumeb	Sep 2016	#37
Which group would that be seeing as this group welcomes debate?	Nuclear Unicorn	Sep 2016	#39
Agreed. But I was talking about another group.	guillaumeb	Sep 2016	#41
Just look at who is behind the controllers....and what motivates them.	ileus	Aug 2016	#13
Not to be contrary but...	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Aug 2016	#14
I think it went that way a long time ago...	NaturalHigh	Aug 2016	#15
You can tell its successful by ALL the activism taking root over there.	jmg257	Aug 2016	#16
69 or 70.	beevul	Aug 2016	#17
Those yutz's are simply following the lead of early Controllers........	pablo_marmol	Aug 2016	#19
Agreed.	Straw Man	Aug 2016	#20
That entire Maddow rant was so chock-full of BS that it would take many pages	pablo_marmol	Aug 2016	#21
wow	beergood	Sep 2016	#24
Yeah.......she truly is pathetic on the "gun control"/gun violence subject.	pablo_marmol	Sep 2016	#26
So you think NJ's ban on cop-killer hollowpoints is BS? No.	scscholar	Sep 2016	#27
The descriptor 'cop-killer hollowpoints' is PURE BS. YES	pablo_marmol	Sep 2016	#28
Yes, its BS. "cop-killer hollowpoints" is exactly the kind of absolute fabrication the OP refers to.	beevul	Sep 2016	#29
What's a cop killer hollowpoint?	Duckhunter935	Sep 2016	#30
do you even know what a hollowpoint is?	beergood	Sep 2016	#32
He/she is likely unaware that cops went to hollowpoints.........	pablo_marmol	Sep 2016	#33
But, but, they saw it on a bumper sticker!	DonP	Sep 2016	#45
"Cop-killer bullets" and "hollowpoints" are opposite concepts.	benEzra	Sep 2016	#53
If all of that is true, then...	scscholar	Sep 2016	#56
Because NJ passed a pointless law based on a non-existent panic.	Nuclear Unicorn	Sep 2016	#57
Or pump your own gas	DonP	Sep 2016	#59
Actually, hollowpoints are legal in NJ. THe rest of your post stands, though.	benEzra	Sep 2016	#68
Because of people who were fed misinformation, which led them to support the proposed laws.	beevul	Sep 2016	#58
Same reason that "assault weapons" are demonized.	pablo_marmol	Sep 2016	#60
Hollowpoints aren't banned in NJ (or to my knowledge, anywhere else).	benEzra	Sep 2016	#67
Gun control is a joke.	Kang Colby	Sep 2016	#22
A bad joke...	beevul	Sep 2016	#23
"Just say no" to more gun control.	pablo_marmol	Sep 2016	#31
"There is even a complaint about the posting of articles discussing string theory in physics"	beergood	Sep 2016	#25
But you posted a perfectly legitimate scientific article.	Nuclear Unicorn	Sep 2016	#34
my apologies	beergood	Sep 2016	#71
I referred to the reference to your posts as made by your detractor.	Nuclear Unicorn	Sep 2016	#72
If I look at the sky through rose-colored glasses it appears purple.	guillaumeb	Sep 2016	#35
It's a meaningless metaphor.	Nuclear Unicorn	Sep 2016	#38
Because they do not.	guillaumeb	Sep 2016	#40
According to the poster I cited in my OP	Nuclear Unicorn	Sep 2016	#42
I prefer proven fact to accepted fact.	guillaumeb	Sep 2016	#43
And I believe you, which is why its so disappointing to see you so determined to align with a group	Nuclear Unicorn	Sep 2016	#48
A question. When you said:	guillaumeb	Sep 2016	#52
I'm going to say some things but don't take my word for it. Poll my fellow RKBA advocates.	Nuclear Unicorn	Sep 2016	#54
Second on the serious time for gun crimes and follow up on straw sales	DonP	Sep 2016	#55
I'll "third" these ideas.	pablo_marmol	Sep 2016	#62
I understand that these are your personal views that may be shared. On that:	guillaumeb	Sep 2016	#66
I also prefer "allow"	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Sep 2016	#69
I actually said "family" not immediate family because	guillaumeb	Sep 2016	#73
BGCs, carelessness, training, etc	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Sep 2016	#79
Make training a yearly requirement?	guillaumeb	Sep 2016	#81
I'd be okay with an annual requirement	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Sep 2016	#84
It's difficult to demand people do anything with their private property.	Nuclear Unicorn	Sep 2016	#70
The FOID card idea might work.	guillaumeb	Sep 2016	#74
One of the considerations is:	Nuclear Unicorn	Sep 2016	#75
Training and testing might be something to subcontract to selected gun ranges	guillaumeb	Sep 2016	#76
Something tells me	Nuclear Unicorn	Sep 2016	#77
quick question,	gejohnston	Sep 2016	#78
My first question would be:Does training ever hurt?	guillaumeb	Sep 2016	#80
If its used to turn a right into a privilege, yes, it hurts. N/T	beevul	Sep 2016	#82
"Does training ever hurt?"	Nuclear Unicorn	Sep 2016	#83
I second that approval. eom	guillaumeb	Sep 2016	#85
It doesn't hurt,	gejohnston	Sep 2016	#86
Would you support universal gun safety training...	beevul	Sep 2016	#87
If it had an "opt out" provision.	guillaumeb	Sep 2016	#88
That's a good idea	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Sep 2016	#89
I wouldn't object to that. N/T	beevul	Sep 2016	#90
Book by liberal criminologists James Wright & Peter Rossi.........	pablo_marmol	Sep 2016	#61
To that crowd, they stopped being "Liberal" Criminologists when they published the research	DonP	Sep 2016	#63
Good enough for Jimmy Carter to hire, thrown under the bus by The Controllers.	pablo_marmol	Sep 2016	#65
We've just been handed a prime example of how "gun control" relies on fabrication.	pablo_marmol	Sep 2016	#46
Seems contrary to "we want a discussion" doesn't it?	beevul	Sep 2016	#47
Kind of like their version of "compromise"?	DonP	Sep 2016	#49
Exactly right	Duckhunter935	Sep 2016	#51
And not just in "Bans-a-lot Land."	NaturalHigh	Sep 2016	#50
Regarding guns, I get the two confused.	Eleanors38	Sep 2016	#64

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