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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #80)

Thu Sep 8, 2016, 11:50 PM

86. It doesn't hurt,

but many firearms trainers opposed Arizona's permitless carry because they thought it would be bad for business. What they found was people took classes anyway, knowing that it was a good thing. Too many people think state mandated training, Florida being among the lamest and Texas being among the most stringent, is enough. The average CCW holder, or gun enthusiast is generally better trained and have more experience than the average cop or soldier. I used to teach hunter safety courses to 14 year olds, as required in Wyoming for your first hunting license. Other than using rifles instead of pistols, my kids were better trained than NYPD. NYPD criteria is hitting a man sized target 35 times at seven yards. They fire something like once a year. That probably isn't unusual for most big city police. New Zealand has a requirement that pistol owners train twice the amount required for police, even though you can't carry there.
Force Recon is special forces, not relevant to most people. Neither is training for the Olympics or ISSF.

While Gun Culture 2.0 would benefit from training, many, like me, were trained as children. It is very important to know how to operate the weapon you happen to have. Had this guy knew how to turn off the safety and fire, the child would have survived.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/07/08/norwegian-island-firearms-mandatory-to-carry/


There are ten thousand homicides, eight thousand with guns. Almost all of them are criminal gangs killing each other. They don't bother to do anything else legal, the wouldn't get training or permits like the ones required in IL and NJ.

I also feel that this focus on violence feeds the perceived need for a gun by some people even as it feeds the perceived problem with growing violence using guns feeds the need for some to call for bans or stricter regulation.
It is a culture war, many of the people calling for bans like Bloomberg and the politicians know they are lying, know the facts and evidence doesn't support their cause, but it is about political power and culture war.

The solution is some of the items Krispos talked about when it comes to lead. The correlation with lead is a perfect correlation in several countries. When you look at the most violent cities in the world, which includes Baltimore and Detroit, they have the same characteristics. Of course, that isn't the whole city. Just pockets of it.

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