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gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
31. no.
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 12:26 PM
Dec 2016

mass shooting tracker is an admitted propagandist pushing an ideology.

We are getting further away from my main point about gun violence, but perhaps there are things that can be done to combat these guns. If I am not mistaken, many handguns used by gangs are stolen. Thus, if we were to just ban handguns (and law-abiding owners would certainly turn theirs in), there would be a lot less opportunity to steal them. This would of course be unconstitutional under the current reading of the 2A, but if a ban were likely to pass then I would think an amendment to the amendment would also likely pass (i.e. neither is very likely to pass at this stage). If they were banned to normal gun owners, the gang supply should dry up over time. This would require more border security to ensure no one is smuggling.
History and the plurality of criminologists say banning guns will do absolutely nothing. Like I said before, if banning handguns in places like Mexico, Brazil, Venezuela, Australia didn't work, what makes you think it will work here? Gangs in Australia have no problem getting handguns, and it is even easier for them to get basement made machine guns. Heroin has been banned for over a century. You also ignore another issue. Handguns are used to defend innocents than they are used in criminal use. The actual number varies, but most criminologists put it in the neighborhood of 500K per year. True, a few thousand of them require the trigger being pulled and even fewer result in the death of the bad guy, but you get the point. There is more evidence that removing lead from gasoline decreased crime than banning guns.

China's mass murder problem has more to do with their very shitty mental health system. Since they tend to attack elementary schools and preschools, so the death toll is pretty high.
Banning handguns, or any other infringement on the vast majority of law-abiding citizens, will do nothing but piss people off. Even the residents of places South Chicago that live under the gangs' thumbs are seeing it for what it is, political theater by corrupt and apathetic politicians who are in mutually beneficial relationships with these gangs.
Banning something from law abiding target shooters, collectors, or whomever, for the slim chance it might get stolen and used by some far away gang, will get you the literal and electoral middle finger.

"there are probably some economic steps....but they are not gun related" That sounds like you are more about banning guns than actually caring about fixing the problem. Since the "war on..." phrase is used, let's go with war on drug gangs. That requires a strategic war plan that takes on the triad of any military enemy. Chicago took down the management of the large gangs, leaving soldiers to kill for promotion and start their own little gangs. We saw how that went.
The triad is: finance, recruitment, communications.
End the drug war. Treat addiction as a health issue, not a criminal issue. Repeal the federal ban on things like pot. I personally don't like pot, but I'm not a moral busybody either. That takes away much of the money.
massive infrastructure projects. We have to get lead out of the water just like we did the air. Schools that are falling apart and graduates functional illiterates can't be tolerated in any society. Also, more skilled trades training along with humanities and university STEM. This will increase employment Walkable mixed residential and business neighborhoods that will even allow urban agriculture, especially greenhouses that can grow fresh vegies year around. That would push the prices down and improve nutrition. Giving better alternatives, and positive role models other than the few that make obscene amounts of money playing children's games while trashing their health. That denies the gangs new recruits.

Of course, before we can do this we have to take on the hardest problem of all. Political corruption from the Detroit school board that squaders money on bullshit to Chicago city council that protects the gangs who keep them in office. They all have to go.
They're not known for thinking ahead even one step...nt HAB911 Dec 2016 #1
Submitted for reference HAB911 Dec 2016 #2
Deserves, no, demands an OP of it's own. nt flamin lib Dec 2016 #4
Fake study. Kang Colby Dec 2016 #20
Not known for thinking at all. flamin lib Dec 2016 #10
I suggest that this is less of a... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2016 #3
All throughout President Obama's term sarisataka Dec 2016 #5
Huh? 1965Comet Dec 2016 #6
I misunderstood your sarisataka Dec 2016 #7
No worries, we are on the same side here. 1965Comet Dec 2016 #8
your website isn't a valid source gejohnston Dec 2016 #9
My source 1965Comet Dec 2016 #11
the FBI excludes gang related gejohnston Dec 2016 #13
I don't understand why we need to differentiate... 1965Comet Dec 2016 #14
because gejohnston Dec 2016 #17
more 1965Comet Dec 2016 #25
It is my belief that rights are innate in humans. They cannot be "taken away". discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2016 #27
Ok 1965Comet Dec 2016 #28
re: "...the right to self-defense has nothing to do specifically with hand guns..." discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2016 #29
One could say the same thing about the gun in the hand of the criminal. 1965Comet Dec 2016 #34
re: "...we already do not allow certain weapon systems...the right is not absolute." discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2016 #38
just a few things gejohnston Dec 2016 #32
Further looking into things 1965Comet Dec 2016 #12
their definition includes gejohnston Dec 2016 #15
more 1965Comet Dec 2016 #16
even more gejohnston Dec 2016 #19
MORE more 1965Comet Dec 2016 #21
"... if we were to just ban handguns..." discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2016 #23
That is all nice, 1965Comet Dec 2016 #24
Name anything... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2016 #26
I agree that pistols are excellent for self defense 1965Comet Dec 2016 #30
Point by point discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2016 #37
Since the #1 priority of the gun control lobby is outlawing the most popular *rifles*, benEzra Jan 2017 #43
no. gejohnston Dec 2016 #31
mass shooting tracker is an admitted propagandist pushing an ideology. 1965Comet Dec 2016 #33
he inflates the numbers gejohnston Dec 2016 #35
The definition 1965Comet Dec 2016 #36
"Confirmed: Heat-seeking Missile Flies up Gun-controllers' Own Arse." Eleanors38 Dec 2016 #18
Uh, this was a right-wing attempt to smear the President, 1965Comet Dec 2016 #22
Oh, I am aware of the RW posting; they don't miss many opportunities, Eleanors38 Dec 2016 #39
I haven't seen this... 1965Comet Dec 2016 #40
I don't really care whether anyone wants to use the new Mass Shooting measure... Eleanors38 Dec 2016 #41
" writing in Yahoo, Nov. 10, 1915." oneshooter Dec 2016 #42
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