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jimmy the one

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15. key syg findings wrt firearms
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 12:17 PM
Mar 2017
The journal JAMA Internal Medicine published a study in November 2016 that found that firearm homicides increased after the 2005 passage of the law in Florida. That’s a narrower measurement than violent crimes overall, but the findings shed some light on the issue.

They looked at trends for firearm homicides in Florida between 1999 and 2014.
It found that after the "stand your ground" law took effect in October 2005, rates of homicide by firearm in the state significantly increased.
"These increases appear to have occurred despite a general decline in homicide in the United States since the early 1990s," the authors wrote. And states without a "stand your ground" law that were studied — New York, New Jersey, Ohio, and Virginia — saw no such uptick.

"Our findings support the hypothesis that increases in the homicide and homicide by firearm rates in Florida are related to the ‘stand your ground’ law,"


Our (Politifact) ruling: Referring to the year that the "stand your ground" law passed, Baxley said, "What has happened since 2005? We’ve seen violent crime continuously go down."
Crime has gone down significantly since 2005, though "continuously" is overstated. Moreover, it is hard to pin the cause of the decline on the passage of the "stand your ground" law, since the decline in Florida has been mirrored on the national level. If anything, firearm-related homicides may have increased after the law’s passage, according to one peer-reviewed study.
We rate the statement Mostly False.
States that don't have stand your ground louis-t Mar 2017 #1
"Just another excuse to murder people." Who has been murdered, and when? friendly_iconoclast Mar 2017 #2
Pretty hard to determine when one of the victims/perps louis-t Mar 2017 #3
Well then, do you have at least one example of a shooting you found questionable? friendly_iconoclast Mar 2017 #4
Zimmerman considered it but his attorneys talked him out of it. louis-t Mar 2017 #5
no there isn't gejohnston Mar 2017 #13
It is not an honest question. louis-t Mar 2017 #16
self defense is not a crime gejohnston Mar 2017 #18
You people are delusional. louis-t Mar 2017 #19
not at all gejohnston Mar 2017 #20
There's a lot of material on this. louis-t Mar 2017 #6
SYG simply means no duty to retreat gejohnston Mar 2017 #12
And by the way, a lot of these cases never go to trial. louis-t Mar 2017 #7
"(Y)ou just have to look for it." No, I don't- as it was *your* claim to prove, not mine. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2017 #8
Uh, "they're going to stop in 5 feet and jump out with a gun" louis-t Mar 2017 #9
No, that was held to be self-defense, which applied *before* SYG in Louisiana friendly_iconoclast Mar 2017 #11
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2017 #10
Stand your ground wasn't intended to reduce violent crime. pablo_marmol Mar 2017 #14
key syg findings wrt firearms jimmy the one Mar 2017 #15
Let's distinguish between "increases in homicide by firearm" louis-t Mar 2017 #17
Homicide doesn't necessarily indicate crime. There are many homicides that are not criminal. Blue_Warrior Mar 2017 #21
Homicide: discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2017 #22
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