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Response to Straw Man (Reply #62)

Tue May 8, 2018, 09:08 PM

66. One at a time-

How is the first a meaningless truism?
You(for the rest of this statement-please assume I am not talking about you, specifically) are carrying a gun, you have just increased my odds of being killed by a gun. Not just that, you have increased my odds of being killed. I will accept that the odds are still quite low-but it is not nothing.

I don't see how you can say that the increased amount of guns in my presence does not increase my odds of being killed. I will say that my saying that it takes years off of my life could be a bit hyperbolic. My being an amalgam is irrelevant. Am I safer with a gun near-by-on average, or not?

Gun nuts are called gun nuts for a reason. It is their biggest thing. The fact that it is their biggest thing makes them the perfect candidates for not being able to carry guns.

Sorry-this is how many vote. This is a big deal for how many otherwise progressive vote-you can't pretend otherwise. In my opinion-yes my opinion-holding one's nose and voting R because of their stranglehold on the gun vote is the essence of a single-issue voter. And-YES-that means it is their biggest issue. That is what that means in practice.

The fact is-people do seem to behave differently when there is a gun to fall back on. The science(scanty) seems to show this. How would it not? A person has the great equalizer as support. The idea that it would have no effect on how one interacts with others is simply daft. If you think someone has a gun, and you do not, and you treat them in the same way--then you are an idiot. You are not an idiot-so the dynamic changes--this is basic in how we deal with world politics.

The last point--that it is my problem---well, fuck no, it is not.

I don't live in this fantasy world where everyone is a sensible conscious actor.

I live in the real world-where any confrontation can end in craziness.

You already know this, I know you do.

This is the reason that otherwise good actors don't intercede when some shitheel is verbally abusing his kids. We know that this is just the type of fuckstick that will pull it out.

We KNOW the wife-abuser piece of human garbage will pull it out-they have nothing to live for-we stand idly by while they push people around. it is because we know they have the ability to kill us and don't give a shit about their own lives.

So-yeah-I will step in when I can--but those of us in the real world can hesitate.

This is not strictly my problem. You go ahead and blindly trust your paranoid neighbors.


Now--I do know that some of my neighbors have guns. A few carry. I get along.

One more thing-I do not believe you or anyone else treats an open-carrying weirdo like one would treat a normal person.

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