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discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,479 posts)
88. Hi back at you
Sun May 27, 2018, 02:06 PM
May 2018
Hoping you have a great holiday...

Safety is an all-pervasive and intrinsic part of life. I have fire extinguisher in my kitchen and airbags in my truck. I don't leave my navigation to a GPS since driving to and/or through more dangerous areas is maybe the computer controlled "best option". I drive defensively. I try to make my choices, course and speed predictable and apparent to other drivers. I focus on what they are doing and try to predict their intentions and courses. I routinely check the current and power rating on extension cords to confirm the safety margin for their use with the intended appliance.

In many aspects of my work, safety is an absolute necessity. One of the absolute basic and initial steps toward safety is an assessment of the situation. I'm going to say something here that you and many folks probably won't like. You said:
"I try to do my part to explain that school is a safe place."
In very plain language, it isn't. This is demonstrated across the country and carried by the news media. Schools overall are statistically safe but, in general, remain soft targets for disaffected and disturbed people. Just because these perpetrators are ill and disturbed, does not make them stupid nor lacking in logic. The deadliest mass murder at a school in the US occurred in Bath Township, MI in 1927. I think fire bombs were the principal cause of most deaths. One way to strategically increase school safety on a city or county wide basis is open more schools and make them smaller so that any casualties at any one location will be limited and the smaller facilities will become less attractive.

I very much agree with your motivation. Since your objective is to teach and motivate your students to learn, having them distracted by the thought of being involved in school shooting won't help with that. Explaining why they are safe and from what and why is empowering. In 2015 there were 62 casualties of school shootings across 21 separate events where 21 of those died. That is from among a population of tens of millions of people attending school everywhere in the US. (There were over 50,000,000 people between ages 6 and 18 in 2015 in the US). Using history as a guide, it seems very, very unlikely that any individual student will be shot at school.

Of the various plans for security and making schools harder targets, I find it surprising that security cameras aren't mentioned more often. This one of the cheaper and most important aspects of overall safety. Video surveillance could and has been a lifesaver. Detecting an intruder armed or not is very important. Being able to alert local law enforcement is important. I mentioned above the 21 incidents from 2015. Would it surprise you know that about one in 4 of these shootings is unsolved with no suspects? Without video, emergencies are harder to detect and usually more advanced when discovered. Detecting a heart attack or stroke victim would be possible. Seeing someone choking or the beginning of a fire could be possible.

Like many other health threatening conditions, early detection is part of the answer. Do we all love the idea on being on camera? Probably not but adding video surveillance to densely attended soft targets makes a lot of sense. Removing from a huge population an even more huge number of weapons will probably be less reasonable. Cameras and 2-way intercom along with telephones and a 911 backup line (cellular) would be a plan.

Knowledge is power. Most school shooting not ending in a preemptive suicide by the assailant end with or soon after the arrival of law enforcement. Shortening the time before law enforcement is called shortens the time available for the attack and limits possible causalities.

Why are there no adults doing anything about this?
Many adults are "doing" "something". Some are working against each other. (Hyperbole active: There are those that want a nationwide house to house confiscating all firepower greater than a BB gun. There are those that want to require teacher to be armed. Hyperbole off.) As I said before, giving a teacher anything from a handgun to a howitzer is the wrong course.

Why in the world do we need to worry about a nut entering our school and killing us?
We need to plan for dealing with any situation demonstrated by precedent or contemplated as probable.

Changing the world has to begin by each of us changing ourselves. If we are concerned about the rights of animals and having them raised as a crop, the way to help isn't by trying ban meat. Becoming a vegetarian is a start.

...if you...respond with logistics and advice about the number of entrances to a school-you instantly lose any credibility...
Schools have doors and walls for a reason, not just to keep out the mosquitoes.

Just my thoughts.
A question for this group-- [View all] digonswine Apr 2018 OP
And if you do carry "ready to go", as it were, why? guillaumeb Apr 2018 #1
well it depends The Polack MSgt Apr 2018 #2
Yeah -I know double-action digonswine Apr 2018 #3
even though i dont have guns , i was trained this way too. AllaN01Bear May 2018 #76
First, I understand busy, no need to reply at all to me discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2018 #4
that's reasonable- digonswine Apr 2018 #5
Cool I just haven't seen you around in this group much discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2018 #6
OK-maybe not control- digonswine Apr 2018 #11
I say control is myth because... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2018 #24
By "control"-I was referring to a person's feeling of being personally in control-- digonswine Apr 2018 #29
Like many Democrats, you are logical and respectful discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2018 #33
I can't say I agree with your idea of personal freedom- digonswine May 2018 #56
re: trust and personal freedom discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2018 #58
A few things- digonswine May 2018 #61
A few more things. Straw Man May 2018 #62
One at a time- digonswine May 2018 #66
I think responding to you is most likely a waste of time- digonswine May 2018 #82
If it's such a waste of time, ... Straw Man May 2018 #87
I missed that I responded previously-time went by and I am a busy feller- digonswine May 2018 #90
replies on select if not most points discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2018 #63
I did not see this post- digonswine May 2018 #74
I know teachers take a lot of work home discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2018 #75
I don't want you to get the idea that... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2018 #81
Hi-- digonswine May 2018 #83
Hi back at you discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2018 #88
I did have a great holiday--thanks digonswine May 2018 #89
re: "School is a safe place..." discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2018 #91
It's silly to take the founding fathers' ideas as perfect for today's problems- digonswine Jun 2018 #93
I promise to elaborate but also please check out #92 discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2018 #94
I think I covered most of your issues and questions... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2018 #95
You have been reasonable in discussion, which I appreciate, of course-- digonswine Jun 2018 #96
re: I have had enough of it and am probably done discussing it(maybe). discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2018 #97
Responses to a few discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2018 #92
Why are there no warnings on guns that say you are more likely to be killed with a gun when you poss gejohnston May 2018 #64
Scientific American says different-- digonswine May 2018 #67
false delima gejohnston May 2018 #68
I can't agree- digonswine May 2018 #69
if it is locked to the outside, gejohnston May 2018 #70
I will reply in order of your responses- digonswine May 2018 #73
just a few things gejohnston May 2018 #78
There is no perfect response to a situation of an active shooter- digonswine May 2018 #79
If I might interject... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2018 #71
You might- digonswine May 2018 #72
Take a look at this, oneshooter May 2018 #77
Before I retired I lived in a fairly bad section in the Tampa Bay Area. ... spin Apr 2018 #26
Every gun model that's designed for duty use or concealed carry HeartachesNhangovers Apr 2018 #7
It would seem to me that that is not terribly safe- digonswine Apr 2018 #9
If you are worried about a revolver discharging if dropped oneshooter Apr 2018 #17
I am not terribly worried about a dropped revolver-- digonswine May 2018 #85
I carry a gejohnston Apr 2018 #8
Please see my post (#9) digonswine Apr 2018 #10
About 8-10 pounds gejohnston Apr 2018 #14
The "New York trigger" for a Glock is 12lb. oneshooter Apr 2018 #18
Viral videos. Straw Man Apr 2018 #31
If I am carrying something sarisataka Apr 2018 #12
Well- digonswine Apr 2018 #13
I have not seen a lot sarisataka Apr 2018 #16
Hey, welcome to your own opinion! tortoise1956 Apr 2018 #23
2nd amendment mythology excerpt jimmy the one Apr 2018 #34
Speaking of mythology... tortoise1956 Apr 2018 #36
Carrying for self-defense generally means being able to draw and shoot quickly. krispos42 Apr 2018 #15
So-- digonswine Apr 2018 #21
Responsible people keep guns in this state only when... krispos42 Apr 2018 #27
I still can't see- digonswine Apr 2018 #28
There's a big difference ... Straw Man Apr 2018 #30
The question would seem to be "safe from what?" krispos42 Apr 2018 #35
I think the main reason that safeties on handguns HeartachesNhangovers Apr 2018 #19
I haven't carried in years, but when I did... aikoaiko Apr 2018 #20
I carry occasionally... tortoise1956 Apr 2018 #22
(redirected) British 'have arms' decrees jimmy the one Apr 2018 #37
"...the right to "have arms" embodied in the English Declaration of Rights... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2018 #40
Scalia cited Ben Oliver in heller jimmy the one Apr 2018 #41
And in that regard: discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2018 #43
Earth to J1... tortoise1956 Apr 2018 #42
jto checkmates the pretzel logic jimmy the one May 2018 #50
redirected #2, prevention not disarmament jimmy the one Apr 2018 #38
Disarmament tortoise1956 Apr 2018 #44
arms embargoes jimmy the one May 2018 #47
redirected #3, Fort Pownal, Maine jimmy the one Apr 2018 #39
WTF are you talking about? tortoise1956 Apr 2018 #45
Ports mouth, common harbor jimmy the one May 2018 #46
And again with the calumnies... tortoise1956 May 2018 #49
how to lodge a complaint jimmy the one May 2018 #59
more contradictions jimmy the one May 2018 #60
correction on fort pownal jimmy the one May 2018 #51
I legally carry a snub nosed revolver. ... spin Apr 2018 #25
dig on spot on jimmy the one Apr 2018 #32
Correlation. Straw Man May 2018 #48
That last paragraph looks like crap. krispos42 May 2018 #65
fair points jimmy the one May 2018 #80
Most semi auto Timewas May 2018 #52
Neither do many that OC discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2018 #53
Glocks are safer than you say Alea May 2018 #54
Everyone Timewas May 2018 #55
Glocks just don't feel right in my hand. n/t oneshooter May 2018 #57
re you saying there should be limits regarding who carries what? Sure seems that way. digonswine May 2018 #84
Not at all Timewas May 2018 #86
I don't carry very frequently kudzu22 Jun 2018 #98
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