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Response to sharedvalues (Reply #85)

Sat Jun 1, 2019, 11:58 AM

86. re: bad-faith

Bad-faith is typically defined:
"double mindedness or double heartedness in duplicity, fraud, or deception. It may involve intentional deceit of others, or self-deception." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_faith
"Acting in bad faith is an act of intentional dishonesty that occurs from someone violating the basic principals of honesty in their dealings with others." https://www.upcounsel.com/acting-in-bad-faith

So my options here are, (a) infer you mean that I am somehow double minded on an issue, or (b) infer that you mean I'm just lying.

I say, right now, that both of these are just a bunch of crap. A list here from your statements in this thread:
1 "...the NRA...is a terrorist organization that advocates for getting our kids killed at schools."
2 "The overwhelming empirical evidence indicates that the presence of a gun makes children less safe"
3 "The NRA gets our kids killed. Therefore it enables terrorism."
4 "Solution to NRA getting kids killed: disband the NRA"
5 "You're aware how much gun and ammo CEOs funnel to the NRA right?"
6 "You’re aware of NRA TV, right?"
7 "I hope you do not belong to an org that gets kids killed like the NRA."
8 "The 2nd Amendment only applies to MILITIAS."
9 "You’ve been lied to by gun CEOs..."
10 "Here's a picture of all the kids the NRA, and everyone who subsidizes them by buying guns and ammo, got killed at Sandy Hook."
11 "The NRA advocated for no gun restrictions and the shooter ended up with access to guns."

My pointed replies for these:
1, 3, 7, 10 and 11- Repeatedly asserting something about the NRA does not prove your point nor does it really convince anyone who hasn't already been to your kool-aid tasting and liked it. This IS a hallmark of propaganda to simply repeat claim.
7- No I am not a member. I've never been a member. I have competed in private and college level shooting events. My home range in college was sponsored by the Army ROTC. I've also shot at a range owned by the PA National Guard. I've never contributed to the NRA.
2- A rather vague generality the wording of which makes a conclusion about its veracity impossible. I could make the same statement about stairs and swimming pools. Responding that guns are worse than stairs and pools does not change the statistics. According to the CDC for the 2017 (the most recent year available) there were 290 drowning deaths and 284 shooting deaths for ages 0 to 12 years. [ https://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/mortrate.html ] This tool lets you explore real statistics from the CDC. You remember the CDC. It that group that is supposedly prohibited from collecting this type of information.
4- I'm really uncertain what to infer from this. It's apparent you dislike the NRA. Maybe you believe that without them tyrannical gun restrictions would proceed unimpeded. I will take this opportunity to reinforce the point I made with the post that started this entire thread:
When I quoted, "Ghost Guns Are Everywhere in California" I did so with a purpose. California has some very restrictive gun laws. Many pro-restriction folks point to CA laws as an example of what should be law in other areas. In starting this thread, I am calling attention to the absolute fact that, regardless of ever-evolving laws, guns are still present. The cliche "close a door and a window opens" comes to mind. The same pattern is true of organizations. If you remove one (somehow) like the NRA, another will appear to take its place. Many litigations have been financed, at least partly, by the Second Amendment Foundation.

5- I infer that was a comment on corporate control money being donated to the NRA. I will point to my statement above and conclude that your cause is no better off if that cash goes to an equivalent group doing the same thing.
6- Yes I am. I've read on this site people writing about it. That's about it.
8- The militia in this country consists of pretty much everyone. Read the law. [ https://www.democraticunderground.com/1172207963#post82 ]
9- Impossible. I've not read anything written by them nor spoken to them nor listened to any speeches they may have made.

Simple economics dictates that cost of anything is determined by supply and demand. If you make it illegal for a convicted violent criminal to walk into a store and buy what he needs to engage in further crime, he will obtain that item some other way. Maybe a straw purchase or a theft is what is needed. Let me point out that Australia has restrictions but:
[ https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-11/homemade-submachine-gun-and-weapons-parts-toowoomba-raid/10709378 ]

I don't think restrictive gun laws do anything but send a message. I am tolerant of these laws but I make the point again and again that "control" is a myth. The OK Corral was about gun-"control" and that event itself amply demonstrated the ineffectiveness of the such laws.

Don't mistake my tolernance of these ineffective laws for my approval of any of them.
To quote Andrew Niccol: "Where there's a will, there's a weapon."

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