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86. re: bad-faith
Sat Jun 1, 2019, 11:58 AM
Jun 2019

Bad-faith is typically defined:
"double mindedness or double heartedness in duplicity, fraud, or deception. It may involve intentional deceit of others, or self-deception." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_faith
"Acting in bad faith is an act of intentional dishonesty that occurs from someone violating the basic principals of honesty in their dealings with others." https://www.upcounsel.com/acting-in-bad-faith

So my options here are, (a) infer you mean that I am somehow double minded on an issue, or (b) infer that you mean I'm just lying.

I say, right now, that both of these are just a bunch of crap. A list here from your statements in this thread:
1 "...the NRA...is a terrorist organization that advocates for getting our kids killed at schools."
2 "The overwhelming empirical evidence indicates that the presence of a gun makes children less safe"
3 "The NRA gets our kids killed. Therefore it enables terrorism."
4 "Solution to NRA getting kids killed: disband the NRA"
5 "You're aware how much gun and ammo CEOs funnel to the NRA right?"
6 "You’re aware of NRA TV, right?"
7 "I hope you do not belong to an org that gets kids killed like the NRA."
8 "The 2nd Amendment only applies to MILITIAS."
9 "You’ve been lied to by gun CEOs..."
10 "Here's a picture of all the kids the NRA, and everyone who subsidizes them by buying guns and ammo, got killed at Sandy Hook."
11 "The NRA advocated for no gun restrictions and the shooter ended up with access to guns."

My pointed replies for these:
1, 3, 7, 10 and 11- Repeatedly asserting something about the NRA does not prove your point nor does it really convince anyone who hasn't already been to your kool-aid tasting and liked it. This IS a hallmark of propaganda to simply repeat claim.
7- No I am not a member. I've never been a member. I have competed in private and college level shooting events. My home range in college was sponsored by the Army ROTC. I've also shot at a range owned by the PA National Guard. I've never contributed to the NRA.
2- A rather vague generality the wording of which makes a conclusion about its veracity impossible. I could make the same statement about stairs and swimming pools. Responding that guns are worse than stairs and pools does not change the statistics. According to the CDC for the 2017 (the most recent year available) there were 290 drowning deaths and 284 shooting deaths for ages 0 to 12 years. [ https://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/mortrate.html ] This tool lets you explore real statistics from the CDC. You remember the CDC. It that group that is supposedly prohibited from collecting this type of information.
4- I'm really uncertain what to infer from this. It's apparent you dislike the NRA. Maybe you believe that without them tyrannical gun restrictions would proceed unimpeded. I will take this opportunity to reinforce the point I made with the post that started this entire thread:

When I quoted, "Ghost Guns Are Everywhere in California" I did so with a purpose. California has some very restrictive gun laws. Many pro-restriction folks point to CA laws as an example of what should be law in other areas. In starting this thread, I am calling attention to the absolute fact that, regardless of ever-evolving laws, guns are still present. The cliche "close a door and a window opens" comes to mind. The same pattern is true of organizations. If you remove one (somehow) like the NRA, another will appear to take its place. Many litigations have been financed, at least partly, by the Second Amendment Foundation.

5- I infer that was a comment on corporate control money being donated to the NRA. I will point to my statement above and conclude that your cause is no better off if that cash goes to an equivalent group doing the same thing.
6- Yes I am. I've read on this site people writing about it. That's about it.
8- The militia in this country consists of pretty much everyone. Read the law. [ https://www.democraticunderground.com/1172207963#post82 ]
9- Impossible. I've not read anything written by them nor spoken to them nor listened to any speeches they may have made.

Simple economics dictates that cost of anything is determined by supply and demand. If you make it illegal for a convicted violent criminal to walk into a store and buy what he needs to engage in further crime, he will obtain that item some other way. Maybe a straw purchase or a theft is what is needed. Let me point out that Australia has restrictions but:
[ https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-11/homemade-submachine-gun-and-weapons-parts-toowoomba-raid/10709378 ]

I don't think restrictive gun laws do anything but send a message. I am tolerant of these laws but I make the point again and again that "control" is a myth. The OK Corral was about gun-"control" and that event itself amply demonstrated the ineffectiveness of the such laws.

Don't mistake my tolernance of these ineffective laws for my approval of any of them.
To quote Andrew Niccol: "Where there's a will, there's a weapon."
Ghost Guns Are Everywhere in California [View all] discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2019 OP
Nice! Gun fetishists putting our kids at risk. sharedvalues May 2019 #1
Wrong on multiple levels. Straw Man May 2019 #2
Some folks manufacture guns discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2019 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author EX500rider May 2019 #4
Pious fraud is part and parcel of gun control advocacy. That was merely the latest example. friendly_iconoclast May 2019 #5
Wow, that's a long thread! MarvinGardens May 2019 #6
NRA is a terrorist organization sharedvalues May 2019 #7
None of which substantiate your original claim. We've seen this sort of thing before: friendly_iconoclast May 2019 #8
I know I'm old when gejohnston May 2019 #9
nra indirectly condones death by guns jimmy the one May 2019 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author Alea May 2019 #11
If the Parkland asshole gejohnston May 2019 #12
Ah, "indirectly" ... Straw Man May 2019 #14
Some truly believe that mere repetition of a claim is a sign of veracity... friendly_iconoclast May 2019 #17
Would you prefer the term "willingley facilitates"? guillaumeb May 2019 #28
Not at all. Straw Man May 2019 #48
The modern NRA is a front organization for the weapons industry. guillaumeb May 2019 #58
Correction. Straw Man May 2019 #59
We disagree. eom guillaumeb May 2019 #63
Yes, we do. Straw Man May 2019 #64
And we're back discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2019 #65
flapdoodle in the straw jimmy the one May 2019 #70
Let me make it clearer for you. Straw Man May 2019 #73
You didn't address: NRA is a terrorist organization sharedvalues May 2019 #13
Not that I disagree- but mere repetition of a claim is no indicator of truth friendly_iconoclast May 2019 #16
The NRA is a terrorist organization, though. sharedvalues May 2019 #18
"You didn't address my point" Said 'point' is merely a repeated claim, made with much handwaving... friendly_iconoclast May 2019 #20
The NRA gets our kids killed. Therefore it enables terrorism. sharedvalues May 2019 #22
Any solution in mind ? n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2019 #23
Solution to NRA getting kids killed: disband the NRA sharedvalues May 2019 #24
You're aware that the lobbying org is the ILA right? n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2019 #25
You're aware how much gun and ammo CEOs funnel to the NRA right? sharedvalues May 2019 #43
I wasn't aware that CEOs funnel any guns or ammo to the NRA. discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2019 #51
"Disband the NRA" by mindlessly parroting your claims to everyone we know? friendly_iconoclast May 2019 #32
You have to admit without the NRA, the only guns left would be muskets & Colt SAAs discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2019 #33
You seem to misunderstand how politics works. sharedvalues May 2019 #42
Gay marriage was achieved by action, not mindless repetition of slogans... friendly_iconoclast May 2019 #62
Willful misunderstanding. sharedvalues May 2019 #66
Some of us understand empty sloganeering quite well... friendly_iconoclast May 2019 #74
Denial. Straw Man May 2019 #47
I see no advocacy of the killing of school children ... Straw Man May 2019 #15
God the bull shit never ends does it. Bad parenting? Combined with a fucking GUN! wasupaloopa May 2019 #30
Yes -- bad parenting. Straw Man May 2019 #45
less gun ownership rates the reason for less shootings jimmy the one May 2019 #71
Clinton-era declines are a red herring. Straw Man May 2019 #72
red herring in the straw jimmy the one Jun 2019 #90
Feh. Chronic logorrhea in the service of bluster friendly_iconoclast Jun 2019 #91
Relevance. Straw Man Jun 2019 #92
strawker forgets gun control & decline in gun ownership rates jimmy the one Jun 2019 #93
Implication. Straw Man Jun 2019 #94
egg face foot mouth syndrome jimmy the one Jul 2019 #96
It took you a while ... Straw Man Jul 2019 #97
LA Times article was pro gun control jimmy the one Jul 2019 #98
NSS. Straw Man Jul 2019 #99
not speculation jimmy the one Jul 2019 #100
Yes, speculation. Straw Man Jul 2019 #101
What does the NRA do to prevent school shootings? Actually they work toward more wasupaloopa May 2019 #29
What does Bloomberg do? gejohnston May 2019 #40
Expecting the NRA ... Straw Man May 2019 #49
No no no no the tool is made for killing and is used to kill children in school. That you wasupaloopa May 2019 #52
Don't presume ... Straw Man May 2019 #61
........... gejohnston May 2019 #19
Sometimes the best one can hope for... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2019 #21
Guns make us safer! PoindexterOglethorpe May 2019 #26
The fact that we have the second amendment that has been interpreted wasupaloopa May 2019 #31
re: "...the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness." discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2019 #34
"I care about the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness." MarvinGardens May 2019 #36
Right. When gun advocates say out loud (and they do) that PoindexterOglethorpe May 2019 #38
implicitly to murder me or anyone else, is more important than my right to life gejohnston May 2019 #41
Really? I am affected by non existant gun laws if I PoindexterOglethorpe May 2019 #44
Just some general discussion discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2019 #55
actually, there are thousands of gun laws in the US gejohnston May 2019 #57
BTW, about the lands down under discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2019 #88
Odd ... Straw Man May 2019 #46
Wasn't it Joe the Plumber PoindexterOglethorpe May 2019 #53
Joe the Plumber? Please. Straw Man May 2019 #60
Just a few fine points here discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2019 #95
The 2nd Amendment only applies to MILITIAS. And Scalia got bought by gun companies sharedvalues May 2019 #77
Have a link: discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2019 #82
That's just false. Here's some truth for you. sharedvalues May 2019 #83
Enjoy the flat earth while you can n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2019 #84
I'm sorry you choose to persist in bad-faith arguments sharedvalues May 2019 #85
re: bad-faith discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2019 #86
An obvious (and clumsy) propagandist lecturing others about 'bad faith'? friendly_iconoclast Jun 2019 #89
Guns get our kids killed sharedvalues May 2019 #75
Guns are designed to kill. guillaumeb May 2019 #27
I might accept that sniper rifles are designed to kill but guns in general? Not so much other guns. discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2019 #35
Guns are designed to kill. guillaumeb May 2019 #37
If guns in general aren't designed to kill, then what are they designed for? PoindexterOglethorpe May 2019 #39
This gun ... Straw Man May 2019 #50
I bet if you get in front of a gun designed PoindexterOglethorpe May 2019 #54
Just to make a point: discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2019 #56
Once again, with rare exceptions guns are designed to kill living things. PoindexterOglethorpe May 2019 #67
A difference without a distinction discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2019 #68
Further discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2019 #69
You completely ignore self defense in all your replies Alea May 2019 #78
re: "If someone you love and care about... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2019 #87
Evidence that the NRA is a terrorist organization. sharedvalues May 2019 #76
Authoritarians and moral panic-mongers love the "Won't somebody think of the children?" schtick friendly_iconoclast May 2019 #79
You're not the first demagogue to sanctimoniously proclaim that you're trying to 'save' children... friendly_iconoclast May 2019 #80
Here's a link: discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2019 #81
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