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Response to Straw Man (Reply #97)

Fri Jul 5, 2019, 07:02 AM

98. LA Times article was pro gun control

straw man's initial premise: By the way, you are aware, I'm sure, that accidental shootings have fallen considerably since the 1980s, even as there are more and more guns in circulation. To what would you attribute that? Could it be ... safety training? No points for attempted well-poisoning.

to which I remarked: you simply tried to foist upon readers an alternate reality that it was due to increased gun owner's safety training measures alone

straw man flaps in the wind: I never said that it was "alone," nor did I deny the other causal factors.

Clever tap dancing. By omission of the several 'other causal factors', & by power of suggestion you misled readers to believe gun owners were responsible for the decline in accidental firearm casualties since the 1980's. Which is not true, as demonstrated by your LA Times article which stated:
Experts attribute the decline to a mix of gun safety education programs, state laws regulating gun storage in homes and a drop in the number of households that have guns.

Then your absurd rationale that since 'gun safety education programs' is listed first - meaning by you it was most influential - is faulty due to the word 'mix'. Had mix not been included you'd have more of an argument, but not absolute either. You cling to a weak limb, citing grammatical protocol which may or may not apply. And doesn't in this case.
Your contention diametrically flies in the face of this LA Times factoid:
States that have high rates of gun ownership and strong traditions of hunting have the highest rates of accidental deaths.

The LA Time article you cited is a pro gun guntrol article, you gaffed big time. Other gems from LA Times which strawman obviously does not want to mention:

Jon S. Vernick, co-director at the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research, .. says that a decline in the share of homes with guns probably plays a major role in the decrease. While Americans continue to purchase guns at all-time highs, they are concentrated in fewer households.

The rates for males under 15 was far lower, perhaps due to so-called child access prevention laws, which allow for criminal or civil charges to be filed against a gun owner if a child gains access to a firearm that is not securely stored.

Hunting accidents may also be down, he said, as the share of Americans who hunt appears to have declined.

Some experts caution that the national drop could also reflect, at least in part, changes in how medical examiners classify deaths — determinations that the CDC relies on for its data. “Intent is not always obvious in the case of self-inflicted gunshot wounds … {whether accidental or intentional}

How can increased 'gun safety programs' be compared with the dramatic decline by 30% of american gun ownership rates over 30 years? Thirty to 40 million less gun owners today, yet strawman clings to the notion that increased gun safety training is the primary reason for a decline of perhaps 15,000 accidental gun deaths over the same 30 year time period. Maturing is as much a factor as gun safety training.
The firearm homicide rate has also fallen by about half during that 30 year time period when gun ownership rates declined by ~30%, was that due to gun safety training too?

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