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Response to Straw Man (Reply #99)

Tue Jul 9, 2019, 10:16 AM

100. not speculation

strawman cited: ..probably plays a major role .. perhaps due to .. may also be down .. could also reflect

strawman remarked: it's speculation. Lacking your crystal ball, these professional journalists are reluctant to make unsupported claims. Pay attention and learn.

Pay attention to who, you? yyms already, have for years, don't give me sickening advice alongside.
You take the above 4 fragments out of context & make another of your pathetic specious fractured reasonings.

In context, strawman's out of context fragments, in english vernacular, do not support his inane interpretations:

.. a decline in the share of homes with guns probably plays a major role in the decrease.
...males under 15 was far lower, perhaps due to so-called child access prevention laws

Here's the real kick in the *** for strawman. He says he cited 'speculation', but there is no speculation in the following case, where hunting accidents are truly down, no doubt about it. Big gaffe for mr english expert.

Hunting accidents may also be down, he said, as the share of Americans who hunt appears to have declined.

.. the national drop could also reflect, at least in part, changes in how medical examiners classify deaths

Strawman ignores the qualifier 'at least in part' which once again negates the twist of reason strawman tried to create.

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I wrote: strawman clings to the notion that increased gun safety training is the primary reason for a decline ...

strawman replied: Nowhere did I make such a claim. I believe that it's an important reason, but neither I nor you have the data to conclusively determine the relative importance of the various causes.

Yes you did make such a claim, first through implying, then by doubling down that the order of listing made gun owner safety training the dominant factor. If you hadn't doubled down you could say that, but you doubled down, twice:

strawman first wrote: accidental shootings have fallen considerably since the 1980s, even as there are more and more guns in circulation. To what would you attribute that? Could it be ... safety training

straw mans first double down: One, two, three causal factors. Your favorite comes last. Care to comment?

strawman's second double down: In journalistic style, items are generally presented in order of diminishing importance. In the absence of modifiers such as "most importantly," the assumption is that the most important and reliable information comes first.

Strawman then says: .. neither I nor you have the data to conclusively determine the relative importance of the various cause

Yet that's exactly what you tried to do, establish 'relative importance' conclusively for your own view, by citing your priority rule of english grammar. Bulloffal to that.

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