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In reply to the discussion: Gun carrying man ends stabbing spree at Salt Lake grocery store [View all]spin
(17,493 posts)14. You say, "someone with a knife can be stopped without a gun" ...
Do you have experience at disarming an individual with a knife.
I know some techniques on how to disarm a person with a knife, but my instructor always pointed out that even if you are successful you will probably get cut and perhaps seriously cut. He always recommended that you didn't try to disarm a person with a knife unless there is no other choice.
Watch this video on a fairly small knife:
But just for kicks and grins lets compare the damage from a .357 magnum with the damage that can be caused by a larger knife:
To answer your question, "I wonder how many here would have shot him?", I would guess that most of the pro gun people who have carry permits and post here would have given the individual with the knife a chance to surrender and also most people who don't post here but carry would have also offered him that opportunity. Since handguns are nowhere as lethal as most people imagine, that might have been a mistake as the person with the knife might have attacked the indivual with a gun and even after having been shot multiple times would have been able to inflict serious injury or death. Even though I realize that unlike in the movies a person doesn't always die immediately or stop his attack when shot, I would have given him a chance to surrender. Those who carry rarely wish to kill another person.
From reading your posts, I get the feeling that you believe that everyone who is licensed to carry is a person with a desire to be a hero or vigilante. If that was actually true, the statistics would show far more incidents involving shootings by those with licenses and at least one Zimmerman would make the headlines every week.
At least you did say that you were glad that the situation ended without any more people being injured.
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The relevance is obvious to most of us. Anecdotes selected for emotional impact don't MEAN anything
saras
Apr 2012
#5
Actually, that is not true. All it takes is one fact to disprove a theory.
Atypical Liberal
Apr 2012
#6
You are suggesting a "pretty girl" would have been as effective as the firearm...
Marengo
Apr 2012
#48
To whom are you referring as the perp? The guy with the knife or the guy with the gun?
shadowrider
Apr 2012
#115
The guy with a knife- who luckily didn't have a gun or victims would be dead (maybe the hero too).
Hoyt
Apr 2012
#117
Why don't you ask them if they are glad the perp didn't have guns like those you covet?
Hoyt
Apr 2012
#111
Actually I worked in a store once where a woman -- who slipped out of a psych unit pulled a butcher
Hoyt
Apr 2012
#43
I've never faced off with a knife wielding maniac. If I did, a gun would make a difference
Taitertots
Apr 2012
#53
I don't carry, but I'm not going to pretend they are not effective self-defense weapons
Taitertots
Apr 2012
#63
Well, I've been through a lot -- yet I still can go outside without a gun or imagining all kinds of
Hoyt
Apr 2012
#79
As a gun DID stop this attack, it seems "toting" was certainly the answer in this situation.
Marengo
Apr 2012
#49
It ignores the point and tries to negate it by showing bad people do bad things with guns
Atypical Liberal
Apr 2012
#7
Exactly. I forgot about the circular firing squads that happen every time there is a public DGU.
TPaine7
Apr 2012
#17
Welcome to DU I saw on another thread where you think Freepers have above average IQs.
Hoyt
Apr 2012
#93
Glad it ended with not too many hurt. Glad the crazy guy didn't have some of the guns popular here.
Hoyt
Apr 2012
#8
Are you Usain Bolt? If so, I will concede that running away would certainly work.
TPaine7
Apr 2012
#108
Coming from someone who imagines all kinds of threats, boogiemen, etc. -- requiring a gun.
Hoyt
Apr 2012
#77
Since you supposedly don't carry, what are you going to do if you run into a "maniac?"
Hoyt
Apr 2012
#67
I saw that, and if one is a selfish right winger, it is probably true. I tend to take a broader
Hoyt
Apr 2012
#70
I did not say "superior" -- but clearly other options are better for society as a whole.
Hoyt
Apr 2012
#78
I'm not naive enough to think that taking a gun out of a maniacs hands means they are not dangerous
Taitertots
Apr 2012
#82
A little old lady took Loughner out. I'm heading out to practice throwing cans of beans.
Hoyt
Apr 2012
#83
Like you would have pulled out a gun and squeezed off a shot to take Loughner down
Hoyt
Apr 2012
#96
Like I said, you would not have gotten a shot off -- but dream on. Who knows, someday you might be
Hoyt
Apr 2012
#102
Someone with a gun has a chance, someone with beans watches as 19 innocent people get shot
Taitertots
Apr 2012
#103
Well, there were packers around that day and the only one that got a shot off was Loughner.
Hoyt
Apr 2012
#104
Packers around where? Oh yeah, he was in the store well away from what was happening
rl6214
Apr 2012
#134
You won't get Hoyt to answer any question. I once asked him what color the sky is
shadowrider
Apr 2012
#107
You would have said Zimmerman was a law-abiding toter, until he shot unarmed teen
Hoyt
Apr 2012
#131
I have yet to see anyone thinking he is worthy of an NRA board appointment but
gejohnston
Apr 2012
#137
Well, I guess you know the rest of the 14 Million or so toters who the gun culture claims are fine
Hoyt
Apr 2012
#149
This is why we need not only gun control, but knife, fist and feet control as well.
TPaine7
Apr 2012
#18
Yes. I want to take away your independence of thought, too. Bad thoughts are the root of
TPaine7
Apr 2012
#24
I'm sure it's all the rage on Free Republic and Storm Front, along with Zimmerman.
Hoyt
Apr 2012
#54