Gun Control & RKBA

friendly_iconoclast

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383. Like in Kelo v. New London, where property was taken for corporate enrichment? It feels good.

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Tue Dec 27, 2011, 06:20 PM

Dec 2011

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelo_v._City_of_New_London

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Point Click, Fire: An Undercover Investigation of Illegal Online Gun Sales [View all] ellisonz Dec 2011 OP

did they report these to the ATF gejohnston Dec 2011 #1

Gun control advocates honest? Like the "assault rifle" that wasn't an assault rifle? friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #2

Who says I'm a Bloomberg fan... ellisonz Dec 2011 #6

define best gejohnston Dec 2011 #8

Yes. ellisonz Dec 2011 #10

Um... Straw Man Dec 2011 #12

If you'd like to believe I have a sketchy grasp... ellisonz Dec 2011 #16

no one is saying that gejohnston Dec 2011 #20

Just an old piece of paper on which our government is founded. PavePusher Dec 2011 #75

"Why should firearms be oh so special?" - Uhm, becuase they are SPECIFICALLY mentioned as a Right cleanhippie Dec 2011 #94

Within the context of "a well regulated Militia" ellisonz Dec 2011 #146

No, the operative clause in the Second is... SteveW Dec 2011 #156

Volokh is a svengali. ellisonz Dec 2011 #157

How old are you? gejohnston Dec 2011 #164

How old are you? ellisonz Dec 2011 #167

How old are you? ellisonz Dec 2011 #169

what slander? gejohnston Dec 2011 #171

Dude, one day you'll see the light. ellisonz Dec 2011 #172

but first gejohnston Dec 2011 #173

Yeah it is that time of the year... ellisonz Dec 2011 #174

No, just one of many, indeed most, scholars who hold an individual right... SteveW Dec 2011 #321

I'm sorry. ellisonz Dec 2011 #326

"15%" Creating numbers, now? nt SteveW Dec 2011 #364

No more than the claim... ellisonz Dec 2011 #369

I wish you had access to the ability to comprehend We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #373

So where did you get that "15%" from? You can find sources... SteveW Dec 2011 #380

You can try to argue that nonsense if you want, but you asked a question, and now you know WHY... cleanhippie Dec 2011 #165

A "well regulated" right. ellisonz Dec 2011 #166

regulated in 18th Century meant equipped so gejohnston Dec 2011 #168

I think that could be taken to mean a couple clear things... ellisonz Dec 2011 #170

OMG! You are actually quoting a 1999 article that uses Michael Bellisles as the "expert"! DonP Dec 2011 #181

At least I'm not cuddling with Charlton Heston... ellisonz Dec 2011 #184

Normally ignorance is a curable condition, but in your case it appears to be hopeless DonP Dec 2011 #185

Ahh the arrogance, anger, and vitriol of denialists... ellisonz Dec 2011 #186

a lot of flaws in the study gejohnston Dec 2011 #187

From your own link: ellisonz Dec 2011 #188

narrow minded? gejohnston Dec 2011 #198

Nobody reasonably expects a criminologist to be an expert on emergency medicine. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #199

When establishing "restrictions," be aware of the Second Amendment. SteveW Dec 2011 #147

"a well regulated Militia" ellisonz Dec 2011 #149

I have read many sources, current and historical. You are wrong. SteveW Dec 2011 #158

Your position is ahistorical. ellisonz Dec 2011 #320

If you want to go by that... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #323

The right thing is having half a dozen handguns? ellisonz Dec 2011 #325

I'll own as many as I wish We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #366

I can make a mockery of anyone who argues such silliness. ellisonz Dec 2011 #367

Go for it. We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #371

Your points are simplistic, circular, and ahistorical... ellisonz Dec 2011 #372

I wonder if you even know what that sentence means.... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #374

Interesting, can't say I disagree with the content. Your point? nt SteveW Dec 2011 #365

Regulation of the Militia... ellisonz Dec 2011 #368

Once again.... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #370

Now you're disagreeing with our ownself within you're own argument. ellisonz Dec 2011 #375

You need to check up on what "well-regulated" meant... SteveW Dec 2011 #381

Oh I've checked... ellisonz Dec 2011 #382

Like in Kelo v. New London, where property was taken for corporate enrichment? It feels good. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #383

Yes. I agree with that decision. ellisonz Dec 2011 #386

Didn't you just quote Heller in another thread? Reallly, pal.... SteveW Dec 2011 #384

Oh my... ellisonz Dec 2011 #385

So, do you wish to do away with the militia and the laws governing them? SteveW Dec 2011 #387

I wish to view the right to bear arms as connected with *official* militia service. ellisonz Dec 2011 #388

I'm sure you do, but you would still be wrong... SteveW Dec 2011 #389

Why, yes he did- approvingly. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #391

"Well regulated" means well equipped and trained hack89 Dec 2011 #307

"...but that's not seen as harassment of law-abiding citizens..." HALO141 Dec 2011 #212

Really? What other products require and an FBI background check before sale? DonP Dec 2011 #13

FDA, USDA, OHSA, IRS etc... ellisonz Dec 2011 #17

So, you bought a gun with no backgorund check then, interesting for a control supporter DonP Dec 2011 #24

Have you ever killed a man in combat? ellisonz Dec 2011 #27

Door gunner in the 1st Cav, 17 th Airmobile out of Phu Loi DonP Dec 2011 #32

So did no one else back home have any basis for thinking the war was wrong? ellisonz Dec 2011 #42

You do know that violence in the US is at a 35 year low, right? Your friend nonwithstanding. DonP Dec 2011 #58

Yes I do. ellisonz Dec 2011 #60

So, based on your approach, as a man I should be able to dictate abortion law, right? DonP Dec 2011 #63

I don't see the point of the AWB hack89 Dec 2011 #73

And of course we can trust the police implicitly with our civil rights hack89 Dec 2011 #88

"mass weapons distrobution" PavePusher Dec 2011 #77

So you would be happier is she had been robbed at knife point? GreenStormCloud Dec 2011 #114

Yes. ellisonz Dec 2011 #118

"Knife's are less prone to accidents." EX500rider Dec 2011 #122

In real life, knife robberies are more violent, and produce more injuries. GreenStormCloud Dec 2011 #125

I just cut myself today with a bread knife DissedByBush Dec 2011 #131

Which one is more prone to fatal accidents? Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #223

Its not tracked... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #225

What's not tracked? Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #247

Accidental death by knives specifically. We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #302

Boy, you're grasping at straws now. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #314

Not hardly We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #316

1150 accidental gun deaths a year is rare? Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #319

Can you do math? We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #324

That wasn't the statement n/t DissedByBush Dec 2011 #280

No, it was my question. Care to respond? Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #292

Since the forum is about guns DissedByBush Dec 2011 #312

Knife vs gun attack one-eyed fat man Dec 2011 #308

And a former coworker of mine was repeatedly stabbed in the abdomen... Marengo Dec 2011 #138

What does that have to do with the topic at hand? n/t PavePusher Dec 2011 #76

Non sequitur. You were asked very specifically, yet you dodge... cleanhippie Dec 2011 #95

ATF... Straw Man Dec 2011 #25

I think they should impinge more. ellisonz Dec 2011 #29

You're educating yourself a bit -- that's a start. Straw Man Dec 2011 #124

Uh, the "Gungeon" is made up of individuals: Ask them... SteveW Dec 2011 #150

:sarcasm: ellisonz Dec 2011 #151

I take it you are out of juice? Visit the grocer. Oh! :sarcasm: SteveW Dec 2011 #159

Did you mean to say you don't own a firearm? Marengo Dec 2011 #89

Typo. ellisonz Dec 2011 #99

You claim to reside in California one-eyed fat man Dec 2011 #309

"Why are firearms so special?" Because your right to them is a Constitutional right. SteveW Dec 2011 #390

And there is your problem-you don't know the actual laws, only what others have told you about them. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #18

I think I've been fairly specific... ellisonz Dec 2011 #19

You're the one that wants changes- so explain those you deem necessary. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #22

... ellisonz Dec 2011 #26

That's interesting, but rifles of all sorts are used in less than 3% of crimes. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #30

With new extended magazine clips... ellisonz Dec 2011 #35

Tsk, tsk. The search function is *not* your friend on this one: friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #46

You must have missed my post #10 above. ellisonz Dec 2011 #51

I believe you are less concerned with preventing gun crime and more in preventing gun ownership. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #55

Now, now, you forget that gun control supporters support Bloomie and Scott Walker DonP Dec 2011 #93

You weren't here for a discussion. PavePusher Dec 2011 #81

What's the point of the assault weapons ban? hack89 Dec 2011 #90

a few points gejohnston Dec 2011 #52

"extended magazine clips".... You are parroting fear-mongering buzz words..... PavePusher Dec 2011 #80

Under the expired assault weapons ban high capacity magazines were never banned... spin Dec 2011 #92

Irrelevent to the question posed to you. Dodge. n/t PavePusher Dec 2011 #79

You do realize that if the 1994 AWB had been reauthorized it would not have prevented Loughner... aikoaiko Dec 2011 #87

Because the people like those in this thread... ellisonz Dec 2011 #103

There are good arguments and bad arguments (aka pollution) on both sides. aikoaiko Dec 2011 #107

I don't disagree. ellisonz Dec 2011 #108

I'm sure you must mean; "In light of the rapidly shrinking violence in this country" right? DonP Dec 2011 #111

They're pandering...and I think it's shameful. ellisonz Dec 2011 #242

WHO is pandering? We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #248

Who's using talking points? ellisonz Dec 2011 #250

Please demonstrate the casual link between gun control and lower crime. PavePusher Dec 2011 #257

Ok. ellisonz Dec 2011 #261

In other words: There is no evidence that more gun control reduces crime. n/t PavePusher Dec 2011 #265

Actually, there's tremendous correlation and causation is obvious. ellisonz Dec 2011 #266

Yet you can't cite to a study that stands up to scrutiny. PavePusher Dec 2011 #274

Sure there is and that's why it's such a popular thing for politicians to support DonP Dec 2011 #284

Circular argument. ellisonz Dec 2011 #289

read the whole page n/t gejohnston Dec 2011 #291

So are you saying both pro and anti gun control arguments are circular... ellisonz Dec 2011 #293

start off with gejohnston Dec 2011 #23

It's a categorization. ellisonz Dec 2011 #31

in the context of gejohnston Dec 2011 #34

It's a bit harder to kill a lot of people real fast with a knife obviously... ellisonz Dec 2011 #37

it is even easier with gejohnston Dec 2011 #41

And ammonium nitrate has been pretty damn well controlled as of late in this country... ellisonz Dec 2011 #43

guilt by association? gejohnston Dec 2011 #45

Gun culture breeds this sort of militancy... ellisonz Dec 2011 #48

don't know much about the gun culture do you? gejohnston Dec 2011 #54

Is there something I missed... ellisonz Dec 2011 #102

Most of it was guns in general gejohnston Dec 2011 #113

"military grade weapons"? Which ones would those be? PavePusher Dec 2011 #141

Don't be dense ellisonz Dec 2011 #202

How about you not be dense? We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #206

More rounds, ease of reloading. ellisonz Dec 2011 #211

you know your firearms pretty well? gejohnston Dec 2011 #251

Nice act. ellisonz Dec 2011 #252

A light fisking: PavePusher Dec 2011 #254

Hmmm, no rebuttal? PavePusher Dec 2011 #343

Didn't bother. ellisonz Dec 2011 #344

Coherency and relevancy would help your cause. PavePusher Dec 2011 #345

Ok. ellisonz Dec 2011 #346

since these .50 BMG gejohnston Dec 2011 #348

Law enforcement. ellisonz Dec 2011 #350

I stand corrected gejohnston Dec 2011 #352

They're still rare. ellisonz Dec 2011 #354

they were? gejohnston Dec 2011 #355

No. But a substantial portion of them do... ellisonz Dec 2011 #357

Really? Then name one of those Texas or Arizona stores that provide friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #360

No response. Why am I not the least bit surprised? friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #376

Can you prove that? We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #362

They need them because urban intellectuals like yourself MicaelS Dec 2011 #196

That sounds like the logic of... ellisonz Dec 2011 #201

Arguably, I need weapons We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #207

And using that logic... "Do you know Michael Bloomberg's background? friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #49

No it really hasnt. We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #190

You bought ammonium nitrate for a purpose other than agriculture? ellisonz Dec 2011 #204

Purpose does not matter We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #208

Ehhh.... ellisonz Dec 2011 #216

If they're not implemented, they don't exist We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #218

it has been done gejohnston Dec 2011 #123

Box cutters. nt Remmah2 Dec 2011 #197

I don't which dictionary you're using... Euromutt Dec 2011 #66

Merriam-Webster. ellisonz Dec 2011 #68

Nice to know. It's still wrong. Euromutt Dec 2011 #71

Legal definitions are not available in Merriam-Webster pipoman Dec 2011 #78

Give me an argument for why you shouldn't have one of those then... ellisonz Dec 2011 #101

Except actual statistics show pipoman Dec 2011 #72

Logically, greater regulation would produce less destructive violent crime. ellisonz Dec 2011 #100

Your logic is wrong. Greater regulation increases the violence level. GreenStormCloud Dec 2011 #119

What happens when someone's mini-arsenal... ellisonz Dec 2011 #121

I will determine my needs, not you. GreenStormCloud Dec 2011 #126

No, the government has the power to determine that and should... ellisonz Dec 2011 #135

We who are pro-RKBA control most of the government. GreenStormCloud Dec 2011 #136

NO, sorry, but once again you're wrong We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #191

Only if we let them. PavePusher Dec 2011 #255

Apparently not the victims of gun violence... ellisonz Dec 2011 #256

I will not allow myself to be restricted when I have not commited a crime or harmed anyone. PavePusher Dec 2011 #260

No, it isnt...but it IS equal. We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #303

"the victim has no right to direct his frustration and anger" ellisonz Dec 2011 #322

If you need to see it that way We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #327

So, some thug one-eyed fat man Dec 2011 #310

No compex proxies or numbers juggling pipoman Dec 2011 #137

That's just sociological categorization. ellisonz Dec 2011 #143

"More guns also means more irresponsible owners." PavePusher Dec 2011 #262

I'll try specifics for $500, Alex.... PavePusher Dec 2011 #82

Of all the bad definitions you could have picked, ManiacJoe Dec 2011 #264

To clarify, you should define an "assault weapon'... SteveW Dec 2011 #152

Jeeez...really? pipoman Dec 2011 #70

Gun control... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #96

Gun control in the US is weaker than... DanTex Dec 2011 #98

First off... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #105

What is descriptive and enlightening is the fact that the US has by far the highest gun homicide... DanTex Dec 2011 #110

I entirely forgot... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #112

because there is no demand gejohnston Dec 2011 #139

"All economies are demand driven" DanTex Dec 2011 #142

I don't disagree for the most part. gejohnston Dec 2011 #163

I'm tempted to challenge this... Marengo Dec 2011 #377

I was there 1986-89 gejohnston Dec 2011 #378

Mainland Japan... Marengo Dec 2011 #379

Hilarious URL! DissedByBush Dec 2011 #128

The Brady campaign is GOP-founded, GOP-led... SteveW Dec 2011 #153

Simplistic ad hominem. ellisonz Dec 2011 #155

Just pointing out your strident, proven hypocrisy... SteveW Dec 2011 #160

Nonsense pipoman Dec 2011 #69

One can believe man things and still be horribly wrong. ellisonz Dec 2011 #144

So why are the lives of policemen more important than crime victims? Remmah2 Dec 2011 #305

Many statists... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #311

You take a poor approach to the "problem"... SteveW Dec 2011 #145

This very may well have been reported to the ATF. ellisonz Dec 2011 #148

I doubt they were. Bloomberg's "stings" rarely, if ever, result in prosecutable cases. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #154

But you don't know, do you? SteveW Dec 2011 #161

Ha... ellisonz Dec 2011 #4

not a rush to judgement gejohnston Dec 2011 #5

That's not the way I see it... ellisonz Dec 2011 #7

like gejohnston Dec 2011 #9

The ATF clearly is failing... ellisonz Dec 2011 #11

mass shootings like that are rare gejohnston Dec 2011 #14

Tell that to the victims and their families, that "rare" is acceptable... ellisonz Dec 2011 #15

Lovejoying the thread, are we? "If it saves only one life..." friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #21

I wish you would... ellisonz Dec 2011 #33

umm gejohnston Dec 2011 #36

Which just goes to show current laws aren't effective at stopping many people... ellisonz Dec 2011 #39

and you think gejohnston Dec 2011 #44

Communist revolution is Amy Goodman? 1917? Bolsheviks? Ring a bell? ellisonz Dec 2011 #47

That's as much as admitting that gun laws don't drive the crime rate. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #50

You keep changing the subject. ellisonz Dec 2011 #53

Like recent spree killings in Italy, Belgium and Norway? friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #57

And Norway is horrified... ellisonz Dec 2011 #59

Now you claim that availability of grenades (illegal) equals availability of guns (legal). PavePusher Dec 2011 #85

I claimed no such thing... ellisonz Dec 2011 #133

I don't know personally any victims of gun violence DissedByBush Dec 2011 #130

By man with a mentally unstable man with a criminal record... ellisonz Dec 2011 #132

Trying to shift the blame to someone who had no legal or moral responsibility. PavePusher Dec 2011 #140

Nice, personal attack. ellisonz Dec 2011 #180

Personal attack? I've simply identified your tactic. PavePusher Dec 2011 #192

Ha... ellisonz Dec 2011 #203

Well then tell us what, to you, is "common sense gun control" oneshooter Dec 2011 #210

Sure. ellisonz Dec 2011 #213

Those are more than a little vague- care to elaborate about "regular inspection", for instance? friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #217

Not really... ellisonz Dec 2011 #219

Really? We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #224

Do you drive? ellisonz Dec 2011 #279

Yep sure do. We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #304

It's not up to you to decide whether a post is germane to a subject. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #277

Ok. ellisonz Dec 2011 #278

That is a non answer, typical of those who know not of what they speak of. oneshooter Dec 2011 #239

The details can be worked out... ellisonz Dec 2011 #241

And here we are back at the beginning We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #243

First we pass it, then we "work out the details". PavePusher Dec 2011 #268

You just did the full verbal pretzel. ellisonz Dec 2011 #269

So you want changes, but you have no idea WHAT changes you want. oneshooter Dec 2011 #300

"No matter what the cost." ellisonz Dec 2011 #317

What cost? We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #328

What if you were compensated? ellisonz Dec 2011 #329

For starters... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #330

Frankly... ellisonz Dec 2011 #331

It would be... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #332

You don't really seem to understand... ellisonz Dec 2011 #333

Never said I didnt have them. We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #334

Most hospitals comply... ellisonz Dec 2011 #335

Most PEOPLE comply We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #336

They'll just notify law enforcement and have the hospital security hold you until then. ellisonz Dec 2011 #337

Go ask a nurse? We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #363

How do you feel about killing her parents? DissedByBush Dec 2011 #176

Or she could have been shot... ellisonz Dec 2011 #179

It was a split second decision DissedByBush Dec 2011 #282

Oh please... ellisonz Dec 2011 #290

But he did do it DissedByBush Dec 2011 #313

Who knows? We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #209

"End discussion?" Check-mated again. nt SteveW Dec 2011 #162

you are changing the subject gejohnston Dec 2011 #56

You have misconstrued the purpose of laws. PavePusher Dec 2011 #84

Shall I list the then-current gun laws violated in Columbine? n/t DissedByBush Dec 2011 #129

Which just demonstrates how the system failed... ellisonz Dec 2011 #134

Yes, enforcement of current laws failed DissedByBush Dec 2011 #175

Better laws. ellisonz Dec 2011 #182

That doesn't answer the question. How would you ensure your "better" laws get enforced? friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #222

Better laws? DissedByBush Dec 2011 #281

apples and oranges gejohnston Dec 2011 #28

large part gejohnston Dec 2011 #38

You're cynical... ellisonz Dec 2011 #40

Ah, your "intellectual" side is showing now DonP Dec 2011 #61

Since when did Democrats think "intellectual" was bad? ellisonz Dec 2011 #62

That was sarcasm, for the irony impaired DonP Dec 2011 #64

It wasn't her commentary - it is the sheer arrogance of those caught on tape. ellisonz Dec 2011 #65

Access to defensive tools is both an individual Right and a human Right. PavePusher Dec 2011 #86

I wonder how that quote would have sounded otherwise DissedByBush Dec 2011 #177

You couldn't be wrong... ellisonz Dec 2011 #178

There is a reason businesses don't want their people resisting DissedByBush Dec 2011 #283

I have not seen those movies gejohnston Dec 2011 #285

Correct. ellisonz Dec 2011 #288

you did not read closely gejohnston Dec 2011 #294

You're right. I'm not rereading this thread closely. ellisonz Dec 2011 #295

But the "failed system" has once again had a reduction in violent crime. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #296

... ellisonz Dec 2011 #297

"Gun control and and better policing" The first of which you claimed was a "failed system"? friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #298

Yes, it's still failing. ellisonz Dec 2011 #299

Indeed, it has failed to prevent more people from buying more guns. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #339

Don't put words in my mouth. n/t ellisonz Dec 2011 #340

You're talking about what *you* see as "civic responsibility". friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #341

I think we'll start seeing a flat line and it certainly won't approach European levels. ellisonz Dec 2011 #342

Is there some Department of Scientific Disarmament Instruction where we might find these? friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #347

Volokh, a couple rogue sociologists, and the NRA isn't propaganda? ellisonz Dec 2011 #356

rogue sociologists? gejohnston Dec 2011 #358

... ellisonz Dec 2011 #359

I've yet to quote the NRA or Eugene Volokh in my responses to you... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #361

could be a lot of things gejohnston Dec 2011 #349

Yes. ellisonz Dec 2011 #351

I have, gejohnston Dec 2011 #353

What do you tell the victims of drunk drivers? Obviously our alcohol licensing laws are inadequate hack89 Dec 2011 #91

I support strong enforcement of our current laws. ellisonz Dec 2011 #116

But you would not restrict access to alcohol hack89 Dec 2011 #127

... ellisonz Dec 2011 #200

Would you consider Prohibition to reduce alcohol related deaths? hack89 Dec 2011 #227

I'd consider sensible legislation - I'm not a Prohibitionist. ellisonz Dec 2011 #228

Interesting.... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #230

They just enable it to be more destructive... ellisonz Dec 2011 #232

You're wrong on both. We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #234

I think the present gun laws are adequate hack89 Dec 2011 #246

Both and. ellisonz Dec 2011 #249

So what specific laws do you want? nt hack89 Dec 2011 #258

Ok. ellisonz Dec 2011 #259

I see lots of restrictions on law abiding citizens hack89 Dec 2011 #263

How does a legal gun become an illegal gun? ellisonz Dec 2011 #267

You are approaching this from the wrong direction. PavePusher Dec 2011 #270

That's straight denialism. ellisonz Dec 2011 #271

No, it's word salad from you. PavePusher Dec 2011 #273

We stop it by focusing on criminals. hack89 Dec 2011 #272

The problem with your mindset vis-a-vis gun is that MicaelS Dec 2011 #195

Are you ready to ban gasoline and matches? GreenStormCloud Dec 2011 #115

That is one desperate argument... ellisonz Dec 2011 #183

Actually only 51. And that is less than one in a million. That's rare. GreenStormCloud Dec 2011 #189

Really? ellisonz Dec 2011 #205

My guns aren't illegal and are not a problem. GreenStormCloud Dec 2011 #214

There are many people who don't. ellisonz Dec 2011 #215

The two are not the same thing We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #220

Prevention. ellisonz Dec 2011 #221

How does... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #226

Oh my... ellisonz Dec 2011 #229

From where... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #231

Do you send your child to school? ellisonz Dec 2011 #233

Yes i do We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #235

The school of life. ellisonz Dec 2011 #236

Wrong again. We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #237

... ellisonz Dec 2011 #238

Sigh.... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #240

It would be my guess that you would not approve of my 13yr olds oneshooter Dec 2011 #244

No. ellisonz Dec 2011 #245

depends on the hunting regulation gejohnston Dec 2011 #253

Can you not read, or perhaps fail to understand what you read. oneshooter Dec 2011 #275

In Hawaii they tend to use bows and a knife... ellisonz Dec 2011 #276

so does Ted Nugent gejohnston Dec 2011 #286

Good. ellisonz Dec 2011 #287

I repeat, I do not watch viet era movies. I was there. oneshooter Dec 2011 #301

Good. ellisonz Dec 2011 #318

Who said it had anything to do with hunting? We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #306

The ATF clearly is failing DissedByBush Dec 2011 #315

"If they're willing to sell to someone like that they're willing to make an illegal deal." PavePusher Dec 2011 #83

Jurisdictional issues. ellisonz Dec 2011 #117

They couldn't have been. PavePusher Dec 2011 #120

Background check? Remmah2 Dec 2011 #193

They are claiming a "fail" rate of 62%... Straw Man Dec 2011 #3

I think the answer to your specific questions is "so what?" Euromutt Dec 2011 #67

Ok, I'll jump in and respond... aikoaiko Dec 2011 #74

See this is a real response.... ellisonz Dec 2011 #104

I get your point. aikoaiko Dec 2011 #106

Thank you. ellisonz Dec 2011 #109

Just read a similar example of faith-promoting rumor in GD: friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #97

I wonder if Bloomberg's tactics could be considered stalking? nt Remmah2 Dec 2011 #194

It's simple: Private gun sales are essentially unregulated. Atypical Liberal Dec 2011 #338