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TPaine7

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4. LOL! You need the rest of the story. Something else happened in the mid 90s...
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 04:23 PM
Jun 2012

I had to purchase this article years ago, so I cannot post a link. If I could, you'd probably have to pay for it.

Sick People With Guns
The Washington Post (pre-1997 Fulltext) - Washington, D.C. Author: William Raspberry Date: Oct 19, 1994 Start Page: a.23 Section: OP/ED Text Word Count: 703



My first thought was to recall Abraham Maslow's aphorism: "If the only tool you have is a hammer, all problems look like nails." Now I'm beginning to wonder if Mark Rosenberg's notion isn't worth a second thought.

Rosenberg's weird-sounding (at first) idea is that the way to combat criminal violence is to treat it the way we treat infectious diseases: as a public health problem amenable to causal research, therapy and prevention.

Well, of course. Rosenberg is director of the National Center for Injury Prevention, a division of the National Centers for Disease Control, and the infectious-disease approach may be the only tool he has.

...

"We need to revolutionize the way we look at guns, like what we did with cigarettes. It used to be that smoking was a glamour symbol - cool, sexy, macho. Now it is dirty, deadly - and banned." Rosenberg's thought is that if we could transform public attitudes toward guns the way we have transformed public attitudes toward cigarettes, we'd go a long way toward curbing our national epidemic of violence.


Rosenberg announced an unscientific war on gun rights. (In science, the data drives the conclusion; Rosenberg started out knowing the answer and wanting to use "science" to support it.)

After announcing his intent to use the CDC as a propaganda vehicle to treat guns like cigarettes—"dirty, deadly - and banned"—he was shocked and appalled that the NRA choked off his premeditated fraud.

Thanks to the gun lobby's obstruction, questions like whether more guns actually make communities safer, whether the ready availability of high-capacity magazines increases the number of gun-related deaths, or whether more rigorous background checks of gun buyers make a difference, remain maddeningly unanswered.


No, Rosenberg already knew the answers to these and similar questions. He already knew the solution and had a strategy to implement his solution. All he needed was "scientific" cover at taxpayer expense.

The NRA denied him that cover. This has nothing to do with legitimate science.
Peer Review [View all] TPaine7 Jun 2012 OP
Cool, dueling Texans gejohnston Jun 2012 #1
No research is valid without data. safeinOhio Jun 2012 #2
why did they do that? gejohnston Jun 2012 #3
LOL! You need the rest of the story. Something else happened in the mid 90s... TPaine7 Jun 2012 #4
Does the NRA support funds safeinOhio Jun 2012 #5
actually, they don't support any "research" gejohnston Jun 2012 #7
I don't know, but that seems like the wrong question to me. TPaine7 Jun 2012 #8
Shut 'em down! bongbong Jun 2012 #6
See post 4 and attempt to reply with substance, assuming that's not too much trouble. n/t TPaine7 Jun 2012 #9
shut down ALL Lobbyists using that same principle. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #10
Yup, that's how the NRA rolls. DanTex Jun 2012 #16
Another straw man? Progressive dog Jun 2012 #11
No thanks, you can stop with the first one. TPaine7 Jun 2012 #12
teflon coated-intended to penetrate kevlar vests-ban opposed by NRA Progressive dog Jun 2012 #21
... TPaine7 Jun 2012 #25
Ooh, how about all plastic guns, too? X_Digger Jun 2012 #32
not even remotely true gejohnston Jun 2012 #33
Seriously? SGMRTDARMY Jun 2012 #13
one thing gejohnston Jun 2012 #14
cop killer bullets defined Progressive dog Jun 2012 #22
He knows what you mean... ellisonz Jun 2012 #24
I know what he means, as well. Unfortunately for both of you- he's wrong. See post #27 friendly_iconoclast Jun 2012 #28
Yeah ellisonz! You're wrong! It says so on guncite.com!!!!! DanTex Jun 2012 #29
The genetic fallacy again, eh? It doesn't matter where it was posted, he's still wrong. friendly_iconoclast Jun 2012 #36
Of course it matters where information comes from. Guncite is a propaganda site. DanTex Jun 2012 #37
And you've yet to prove me wrong. I admit Kopsch's testimony is hearsay... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2012 #38
And you've yet to prove yourself right... DanTex Jun 2012 #39
There still are plenty of bullets available that will penetrate body armor- rifle bullets. friendly_iconoclast Jun 2012 #40
I don't know if what you are saying about the Biaggio bill is true. DanTex Jun 2012 #42
there is a bit difference between gejohnston Jun 2012 #41
is a propaganda buzz word gejohnston Jun 2012 #26
Unfortunately for you, that source directly contradicts your claims. friendly_iconoclast Jun 2012 #27
one more thing gejohnston Jun 2012 #34
If you think cop killer bullets are bad, look at these heat seekers... beevul Jun 2012 #15
Could you please define clffrdjk Jun 2012 #44
This again? DanTex Jun 2012 #17
Yes! Do you think that valid points will stop being made because you express displeasure? TPaine7 Jun 2012 #18
I get it. You're going ignore everything I said! Nice! DanTex Jun 2012 #20
"I get it. You're going ignore everything I said!" ellisonz Jun 2012 #23
Yawn... TPaine7 Jun 2012 #31
I wish he would ignore this whole group. He has already done me the favor of ignoring me and life Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #45
I addressed your strongest points; I ignored your irrelevant points. TPaine7 Jun 2012 #30
Well, now you're just repeating yourself. DanTex Jun 2012 #35
"Scientific Integrity" TPaine7 Jun 2012 #43
The less you know... DanTex Jun 2012 #46
Ok, you've got some interesting points mixed in with the other stuff. TPaine7 Jun 2012 #47
Oh, I almost forgot. Here is the link to the Times Story TPaine7 Jun 2012 #19
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