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DanTex

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39. Did you read either of those studies? Or are you not interested in what actual social scientists...
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 05:53 PM
Jun 2012

...have to say about the issue.

I'm always curious about how statistically illiterate the NRA crowd really is. Are they really incapable of understanding that there are multiple factors that affect crime rates, so the fact that over a certain period of time gun sales and homicide rates moved in different directions doesn't disprove the fact that they are linked. For example, poverty rates increased in the 2000s, while crime rates dropped. Would you insist that that proves that there is no link between crime and poverty? I hope not.

Anyway, if you look at the data at a more granular level, at the state and county level, you find, as those studies did, that higher rates of gun ownership are in fact associated with higher rates of homicide, gun homicide specifically.

I'm sure this brief moment of lucidity pscot Jun 2012 #1
Yes, because knee-jerk reactions by a legislature always work out so well. krispos42 Jun 2012 #48
Do you live in Seattle? Major Hogwash Jun 2012 #69
Nope. And I hope you're not going to get all regional on me. n/t krispos42 Jun 2012 #84
Empathy. Major Hogwash Jun 2012 #88
Because we know that police always use their powers wisely hack89 Jun 2012 #2
You planning on using your gun to fight against police discrimination? I advise against it. Hoyt Jun 2012 #3
Police should not have the discretion to decide what civil liberties I can exercise hack89 Jun 2012 #5
Correct, they shouldn't. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #10
So what do you suggest? Stop and frisk? Random searches? hack89 Jun 2012 #16
No, none of that. Absolutely not. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #20
So the status quo in other words? Sounds fine to me. nt hack89 Jun 2012 #24
You left out an option. GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #92
The mayor is exactly right. We need to change attitudes about guns. Hoyt Jun 2012 #4
Yet such a tiny percentage of gun owners conceal carry hack89 Jun 2012 #6
Plenty carry with out permits. All the SOBs I just mentioned were legally carrying right up until Hoyt Jun 2012 #7
So what law will prevent this? hack89 Jun 2012 #8
Stop promoting more and more guns, particularly on the streets. Hoyt Jun 2012 #12
How does that impact the criminal use of guns? hack89 Jun 2012 #15
Please point out where anyone is promoting criminal use of firearms, other than criminals. n/t PavePusher Jun 2012 #23
When you buy a bunch of guns some of them eventually end up in criminal hands. Hoyt Jun 2012 #60
"...some of them eventually end up in criminal hands." PavePusher Jun 2012 #75
So what current Meiko Jun 2012 #9
Ones that allow folks to strut around with guns on the street, prepare their kids to strut, etc. Hoyt Jun 2012 #14
Doesn't seem to be working in Australia friendly_iconoclast Jun 2012 #18
wait? gejohnston Jun 2012 #29
No shit- I had to read that twice. friendly_iconoclast Jun 2012 #37
Yep, our guns are polluting the world. Australia has smart gun laws. Hoyt Jun 2012 #61
Well in your vast knowledge of firearms,what types and how many? oneshooter Jun 2012 #19
Oneshooter, I would bet 75% of your guns would fall into unacceptable to a peaceful society. Hoyt Jun 2012 #63
Nice dodge. Why don't you answer the question instead? friendly_iconoclast Jun 2012 #64
75% of my collection is from the 1700's and 1800's oneshooter Jun 2012 #66
and how do you plan on doing Meiko Jun 2012 #25
The millions of guns out there will double in 2 decades. Why allow that? Hoyt Jun 2012 #65
Then why have you called for a total ban? oneshooter Jun 2012 #67
Don't think I said that. I have said we'd be better off without guns, BUT Hoyt Jun 2012 #68
He can't advocate for a total ban... Clames Jun 2012 #83
If properly Meiko Jun 2012 #79
Good point. The gun culture always pushes the envelop without regard to society. Hoyt Jun 2012 #80
Why allow that? Trunk Monkey Jun 2012 #82
In your opinion. NewMoonTherian Jun 2012 #78
Not the more "guns are progessive" junk again. I suppose more bombs are too? Hoyt Jun 2012 #81
Guns aren't progressive. NewMoonTherian Jun 2012 #85
Without a gun, Zimmerman would have remained in his car like the coward he is. Hoyt Jun 2012 #86
maybe, maybe not nt gejohnston Jun 2012 #87
So your argument... NewMoonTherian Jun 2012 #89
What stats do you have to back up that claim. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #11
So all those gang related shootings in DC, LA, Chicago, Detroit, etc hack89 Jun 2012 #13
Those are inner city gangs, not your average criminal. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #17
Yet by every measurable standard hack89 Jun 2012 #22
AGAIN????? bongbong Jun 2012 #26
You will not win by constantly lying about my views. hack89 Jun 2012 #31
AGAIN????? You're still insinuating people have said something they haven't? friendly_iconoclast Jun 2012 #33
You remind me of those people who, every time there's a big snowstorm... DanTex Jun 2012 #30
Well, I know that increased snow would be a sign of global warming hack89 Jun 2012 #32
Well, nice to know your denialism doesn't extend to areas other than gun violence. DanTex Jun 2012 #34
About that "more guns do in fact result in more homicide."- Homicide rates have *fallen*. friendly_iconoclast Jun 2012 #36
Did you read either of those studies? Or are you not interested in what actual social scientists... DanTex Jun 2012 #39
Not if what they claim isn't bourne out by statistical trends. friendly_iconoclast Jun 2012 #42
Lordy. There are a lot of factors that affect crime rates! DanTex Jun 2012 #44
Did the places with high gun ownership *not* go through the same reduction in crime+murder rates? friendly_iconoclast Jun 2012 #62
No one denies that there are a lot of factors that affect crime rates. Atypical Liberal Jun 2012 #71
So if gun ownership is down drastically hack89 Jun 2012 #38
Gun ownership is not down drastically, it is down modestly. DanTex Jun 2012 #40
It is the drastic and steady decline that makes it ok hack89 Jun 2012 #41
It is still a huge number of unnecessary deaths. DanTex Jun 2012 #43
What is.the exact number of gun murders last year? hack89 Jun 2012 #45
According to 2010 CDC data. DanTex Jun 2012 #46
Why the desire to pad your numbers? hack89 Jun 2012 #47
What are you talking about? DanTex Jun 2012 #49
So you want a ban on the private ownership of hand guns? hack89 Jun 2012 #50
Lordy! Did I say that I was? DanTex Jun 2012 #52
Because criminals will license and register their guns? Got it. nt hack89 Jun 2012 #53
You seem to have trouble staying on topic. DanTex Jun 2012 #54
But what you want is impossible to achieve. hack89 Jun 2012 #57
You could make the same argument about single-payer healthcare. DanTex Jun 2012 #59
So with all these states liberalizing their gun laws hack89 Jun 2012 #70
The restrictionistas would rather lick a New York sidewalk than admit... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2012 #35
Good analogy......... had you thought it thru....... Spoonman Jun 2012 #91
Not a direct answer to your question, but a good info graphic sarisataka Jun 2012 #21
Flashy graphic! bongbong Jun 2012 #27
It *is* flashy- but I notice you didn't actually refute any of it... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2012 #28
Thank you, but I can't claim credit sarisataka Jun 2012 #56
If nothing else it is produced by a company that makes money off "tactical" gun gear. Hoyt Jun 2012 #72
is that you? gejohnston Jun 2012 #73
The truth comes out? sarisataka Jun 2012 #76
here all this time I thought gejohnston Jun 2012 #77
Start with Seattle Police shooting homeless people? Tejas Jun 2012 #51
Solve a dispute......SNorK! ileus Jun 2012 #55
When you can't take it to court, what else is a guy to do? jeepnstein Jun 2012 #90
LOL! TPaine7 Jun 2012 #58
Gee, what happened to the article? AtheistCrusader Jun 2012 #74
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