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Jenoch

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110. Would you please explain what you meant by this statement?
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 11:57 PM
Aug 2012

"The Second Amendment came after the 1776 and was not part of the orginal package."

I don't understand your point. The 2nd Amendment certainly did come after 1776. So did the U.S. Constitution to which the Bill of Rights were attached. What was your point again?

Of course. But the NRA knows how to manipulate and threaten. MotherPetrie Aug 2012 #1
don't forget how the brainwash people into false patriotism and paralizing fear samsingh Aug 2012 #152
RKBA is all about freedom. MercutioATC Aug 2012 #2
If you think your Glock is going to protect you from oppression, you've seen too many B movies. DanTex Aug 2012 #3
As I said, it's not about your neighbor (or me) buying a gun. MercutioATC Aug 2012 #5
Red Dawn fantasies. DanTex Aug 2012 #6
BTW... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2012 #8
That's the best you can do? MercutioATC Aug 2012 #10
And let's not forget glacierbay Aug 2012 #11
Actually, it's true of nearly every conflict it which we've been involved. MercutioATC Aug 2012 #14
Correct. glacierbay Aug 2012 #15
Vietnam is a very good example of "out lasting" the superior force Ya Basta Aug 2012 #187
I've been... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2012 #194
i think he IEDs, suicide bombers, and other hit and run tactics are samsingh Aug 2012 #20
that was such a stupid movie and a farce. samsingh Aug 2012 #22
Gee, OUR military did. MercutioATC Aug 2012 #28
That is because we are fighting under a strict rules of engagement. Waltons_Mtn Aug 2012 #130
drone attacks are not indescriminate gejohnston Aug 2012 #134
Your right, they are not indescriminate. But there sure seems to be more oops, my bad. Waltons_Mtn Aug 2012 #138
your targeting is only as good as your intel gejohnston Aug 2012 #139
The entire region would rally to fight our genocide krispos42 Aug 2012 #174
Hence why we are fighting under such strict Rules of Engagement. Waltons_Mtn Aug 2012 #180
The RoE had more to do with gejohnston Aug 2012 #181
What is your knowledge of modern military tactics and procedures? rDigital Aug 2012 #30
i'm sorry, what is your knowledge in this area? samsingh Aug 2012 #124
This message was self-deleted by its author rDigital Aug 2012 #164
i'm a thoughtful person, who wants lives to be saved, and i've studied samsingh Aug 2012 #165
actually we have gejohnston Aug 2012 #168
i've heard a lot of gun control proponents ask for an end to the drug war samsingh Aug 2012 #172
not at all gejohnston Aug 2012 #176
i couldn't care less how many guns you own or store samsingh Aug 2012 #186
I wasn't talking about you specifically gejohnston Aug 2012 #189
btw samsingh Aug 2012 #166
It means: rDigital Aug 2012 #167
that makes absolutely no sense. samsingh Aug 2012 #173
Hmmm. rDigital Aug 2012 #183
What is your personal experience with guerrilla warfare? glacierbay Aug 2012 #40
"The scenario envisioned in Red Dawn is very real." DanTex Aug 2012 #54
Rather than engage in little insults glacierbay Aug 2012 #59
Don't you know? gejohnston Aug 2012 #70
That brings up a question for you: On what date will Victory in Afghanistan Day be celebrated? friendly_iconoclast Aug 2012 #83
Funny how they chose to remake it this year... ellisonz Aug 2012 #114
Its not the Missycim Aug 2012 #132
Good to see you have such a detailed knowledge. ellisonz Aug 2012 #135
Yes, we know you have a problem with even simple facts. PavePusher Aug 2012 #195
That looks like the same cast from or scenes from the TV show Jericho rl6214 Aug 2012 #145
This message was self-deleted by its author Waltons_Mtn Aug 2012 #131
Wrong, in the end the Russians are defeated. rl6214 Aug 2012 #146
According to IMDB the original ending of Red Dawn was much more ambiguous as to who won Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #184
Right. A rag-tag handful of partisians tied up several orders of magnitude more troops.... PavePusher Aug 2012 #196
what is your experience in this area? samsingh Aug 2012 #125
Two tours in Vietnam, glacierbay Aug 2012 #127
This message was self-deleted by its author Waltons_Mtn Aug 2012 #133
The ROE's didn't matter one wit glacierbay Aug 2012 #136
This message was self-deleted by its author Waltons_Mtn Aug 2012 #140
The Soviet's tried that in Afghanistan glacierbay Aug 2012 #142
that is what the Viet Cong did gejohnston Aug 2012 #137
i agree with you. samsingh Aug 2012 #149
i certainly didn't go to Viet Nam. Thank you for your service. samsingh Aug 2012 #148
Thank you glacierbay Aug 2012 #153
as do i. I wanted to defer to your service to the country. samsingh Aug 2012 #154
The eternal harassment degrades military operations krispos42 Aug 2012 #175
Other than an outright ban, what's your magical "solution" to what you apparently think is a problem spayneuter Aug 2012 #33
you still have the guns but the mere conversation appears to offend you. you life in a fantasy land, samsingh Aug 2012 #126
Remember all of them die in the end except the two that run away! Waltons_Mtn Aug 2012 #128
The group of kids all died except two but the Russians were eventually defeated. rl6214 Aug 2012 #147
Yes, but it never explains how. Waltons_Mtn Aug 2012 #155
IIRC, it kind of did gejohnston Aug 2012 #156
+1 :) n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2012 #7
not really, when you actually study the history books. The Second Amendment came after the 1776 and samsingh Aug 2012 #24
It doesn't matter WHEN it came... its wording makes CLEAR the right to keep and bear arms cherokeeprogressive Aug 2012 #96
Would you please explain what you meant by this statement? Jenoch Aug 2012 #110
its self evident samsingh Aug 2012 #122
The U.S. Constitution Jenoch Aug 2012 #129
the second amendment was an amendment and it's interpretation samsingh Aug 2012 #150
"...arm everyone with automatic weapons to slaughter civilians." Jenoch Aug 2012 #169
did you miss the news on the Colorado shooting? The Sikh Temple shooting? Every week there has samsingh Aug 2012 #171
In neither of the shootings you mentioned Jenoch Aug 2012 #182
Then no law enforcement agencies should have such weapons. PavePusher Aug 2012 #197
Other side of the coin: If you think my Glock is going to oppress anyone, you've seen to many cherokeeprogressive Aug 2012 #93
it DOESN'T MATTER whether you think it is possible or not. Atypical Liberal Aug 2012 #95
A blogger? glacierbay Aug 2012 #4
i think freedom to speak, eat, marry, reproduce - are the greatest freedoms samsingh Aug 2012 #18
For a govt to trust its citizens the means for the possible glacierbay Aug 2012 #31
No shit, Sherlock...that's why it is important. spayneuter Aug 2012 #53
from what i read from gun lover's its love of the gun (sorry gun arsenal) that is paramount. samsingh Aug 2012 #123
Then you are sadly mistaken glacierbay Aug 2012 #177
how many times do i hear crap like anyone who wants some level of gun control wants to samsingh Aug 2012 #185
we do have some level gejohnston Aug 2012 #188
It would have been more intelligent if gejohnston Aug 2012 #9
"As a banker, he is a greater threat to freedom than anyone else." samsingh Aug 2012 #17
need to listen to Thom Hartmann gejohnston Aug 2012 #19
banks have proven themselves to be greedy and inept samsingh Aug 2012 #27
inept? bankers? inept?? hot damn!! that is the funniest thing I have read on here in a long time Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2012 #88
I think our friend wants to ban the Federal Reserve and return to gold coins. DanTex Aug 2012 #21
Government owned central bank gejohnston Aug 2012 #38
I was right! Gold standard too? DanTex Aug 2012 #43
Whats wrong Missycim Aug 2012 #50
I was right again! Anyone else? DanTex Aug 2012 #58
I didn't know Ron Paul was for nationalizing the Fed gejohnston Aug 2012 #66
Gold standard? Yes or no. DanTex Aug 2012 #81
no, so now that gejohnston Aug 2012 #90
OK then. No gold standard. My guess was wrong. It was worth a shot! DanTex Aug 2012 #91
I doubt it gejohnston Aug 2012 #94
Umm... yeah no kidding the gold standard predates Ron Paul. DanTex Aug 2012 #97
If it works as advertized gejohnston Aug 2012 #100
I like this idea. nt rDigital Aug 2012 #103
The blogger in question truly adheres to the "Nirvana Fallacy" rDigital Aug 2012 #12
I love it when you guys talk loony! Tyrannical fascist state! You've got it all worked out! DanTex Aug 2012 #13
So disprove what he has said was wrong. glacierbay Aug 2012 #25
LOL bongbong Aug 2012 #29
What difference does it make who armed them glacierbay Aug 2012 #34
LOL bongbong Aug 2012 #42
Facts are facts glacierbay Aug 2012 #47
LOL bongbong Aug 2012 #49
Until you present facts instead of insults glacierbay Aug 2012 #56
Post removed Post removed Aug 2012 #60
Jury results of the alert sent glacierbay Aug 2012 #109
They didn't ban PavePusher and he had like 19 hidden posts at one point. n/t ellisonz Aug 2012 #115
I didn't say anything about banning anyone glacierbay Aug 2012 #121
Sorry to disappoint you. PavePusher Aug 2012 #199
????? bongbong Aug 2012 #57
What is a relgionist (sic)? spayneuter Aug 2012 #63
Too much! bongbong Aug 2012 #64
Post removed Post removed Aug 2012 #67
Post removed Post removed Aug 2012 #69
"You can throw all the insults and cute little smilies" rl6214 Aug 2012 #151
You are apparently ignorant of the 17 years the Soviets tried unsuccessfully to defeat the Afghanis spayneuter Aug 2012 #45
More laughs bongbong Aug 2012 #48
Dude... ellisonz Aug 2012 #116
do you always get your knowledge of gejohnston Aug 2012 #118
Do you always ignore well-known historical fact? ellisonz Aug 2012 #141
not a fruitless argument at all gejohnston Aug 2012 #143
Some food for thought. Oneka Aug 2012 #112
Last resort, Sweetie. nt rDigital Aug 2012 #35
Serious question: Why do you think it can't happen here? PavePusher Aug 2012 #198
absolutely - and most people can't even see the implications of the behavior this has caused in all samsingh Aug 2012 #16
No. Any more questions? shadowrider Aug 2012 #23
It's never been about "freedom" bongbong Aug 2012 #26
I agree. The whole 'protecting our freedom' is so COLGATE4 Aug 2012 #36
Cool straw man, bro. rDigital Aug 2012 #52
Reality is so frightening for gun-relgioinists bongbong Aug 2012 #72
It's just another straw man, bro. You're entitled to your own opinion, but you must provide proof rDigital Aug 2012 #101
Are you sitting there anticipating the day when COLGATE4 Aug 2012 #157
Speaking for myself glacierbay Aug 2012 #158
My point exactly. Either that or it's a convenient COLGATE4 Aug 2012 #161
This message was self-deleted by its author glacierbay Aug 2012 #163
Really? I'm merely illustrating the purpose of the 2A. Nice try though. rDigital Aug 2012 #159
Perhaps valid in 1777. Hardly valid today. COLGATE4 Aug 2012 #160
Start a movement to repeal it then. Let us know how that goes. rDigital Aug 2012 #162
Is that really the best argument you can make? COLGATE4 Aug 2012 #170
Wrong on so many levels. MercutioATC Aug 2012 #37
LOL bongbong Aug 2012 #41
If its such logical fail glacierbay Aug 2012 #44
Proving a negative bongbong Aug 2012 #73
Just as I thought glacierbay Aug 2012 #74
LOL bongbong Aug 2012 #76
One is reminded ... Straw Man Aug 2012 #190
No, do you? MercutioATC Aug 2012 #55
LOL bongbong Aug 2012 #62
You refuted my claim about gun owners. MercutioATC Aug 2012 #65
Funny bongbong Aug 2012 #75
You're the one who claimed that the motivation behind gun ownership was a desire to shoot people. MercutioATC Aug 2012 #78
LOL bongbong Aug 2012 #79
Machine guns and blowing stuff up ARE fun. MercutioATC Aug 2012 #84
"Do you know every gun owner in the USA?" 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #82
Let's assume that you are correct and a high percentage of gun owners wish to shoot thugs. ... spin Aug 2012 #98
Whereas it is all so much nobler to submit to the tender mercies of the thugs. spayneuter Aug 2012 #46
Even MORE laughs! bongbong Aug 2012 #51
It sure doesn't take much to amuse you. Look down there vvvvvv spayneuter Aug 2012 #61
... ellisonz Aug 2012 #117
It has always been about freedom bad sofa king Aug 2012 #120
Intelligent take? Clames Aug 2012 #32
This article is full of fail rDigital Aug 2012 #39
Send better trolls bongbong Aug 2012 #68
Brady must be really strapped for cash, gejohnston Aug 2012 #71
Good copy bongbong Aug 2012 #77
It's clever that you refer to all effective arguments against more gun control as "talking points". rDigital Aug 2012 #119
No. Next question. 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #80
Are Guns Killing Our Freedom Instead of Defending It? No, Some of us are readily Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2012 #85
When Our Forefathers oldsarge54 Aug 2012 #86
The principle is the same. MercutioATC Aug 2012 #89
Funny oldsarge54 Aug 2012 #99
Yawn... Apparently some specially approved blogs are ok as sources. TPaine7 Aug 2012 #87
Answer: Nnnnnnnope. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2012 #92
Some asshole with a blog said... rrneck Aug 2012 #102
Just some of my favorites: discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2012 #178
Ain't it the truth! nt rrneck Aug 2012 #179
Question wolfman24 Aug 2012 #191
If you mean the very bottom... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2012 #193
This OP reminds me to ask what ever happened to that ex-pat in Italy antigun blogger? aikoaiko Aug 2012 #104
No. However RegieRocker Aug 2012 #105
LOL. "Far left". DanTex Aug 2012 #106
Regie's too diplomatic to say the word, so I will. MercutioATC Aug 2012 #108
"no intended offense to the bird" Simo 1939_1940 Aug 2012 #111
Yes Magoo48 Aug 2012 #107
the trick is to have more people with guns that value freedom, than people who do not AtheistCrusader Aug 2012 #113
I wonder what kind of security Huff Post has at the front doors? Remmah2 Aug 2012 #144
other view wolfman24 Aug 2012 #192
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