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TPaine7

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46. Excellent point, and a strong argument against the
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 07:40 PM
Sep 2012

"CCW will lead to lots of bystanders getting shot" meme.

I'm neutral on the gun control debate (maybe leaning toward more control), but gateley Sep 2012 #1
The only answer I expect you will get is that it hasn't happened petronius Sep 2012 #2
Over 800,000 resident Floridians have valid concealed weapons permits. spin Sep 2012 #6
"Not enough people carry firearms yet" won't fly BigAlanMac Sep 2012 #14
true but gejohnston Sep 2012 #19
I'm not sure... discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2012 #3
I spotted a fellow CC'er today at Subway. ileus Sep 2012 #4
How about? russ1943 Sep 2012 #5
not meaning to move any goal posts but gejohnston Sep 2012 #9
That is the one (1) incident found and cited already. n/t DWC Sep 2012 #23
Good job. You found the one in the OP. AtheistCrusader Sep 2012 #60
Just search Google, there are lots of examples Bjorn Against Sep 2012 #7
False accusation. Clames Sep 2012 #8
Read the very first sentence of the OP then follow the link I provided Bjorn Against Sep 2012 #11
Why would those be relevant? Kezzy604 Sep 2012 #31
I did. You still fail. Clames Sep 2012 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author Bjorn Against Sep 2012 #10
none of the top ones were CCWs gejohnston Sep 2012 #12
This one was near the top and is a clear example Bjorn Against Sep 2012 #13
the article says they were gangsters gejohnston Sep 2012 #15
Does it say that the gun was illegal? Bjorn Against Sep 2012 #18
they do? gejohnston Sep 2012 #20
It says DWC Sep 2012 #28
From the article: sarisataka Sep 2012 #16
So do gang members not have second amendment rights? Bjorn Against Sep 2012 #21
looking to create a strawman? gejohnston Sep 2012 #22
It is not a crime to join a gang Bjorn Against Sep 2012 #25
so you're saying gejohnston Sep 2012 #26
Actually it is. Clames Sep 2012 #44
No it is not, it is freedom of assembly Bjorn Against Sep 2012 #45
You really need to learn how to use Google. Clames Sep 2012 #48
That only applies to members of the military, not civilians Bjorn Against Sep 2012 #49
I challenged your general assertion that no laws banned people from joining gangs. Clames Sep 2012 #53
No one on this thread was talking about military law until you put yourself in a corner Bjorn Against Sep 2012 #54
You are still wrong. Clames Sep 2012 #58
Well that law is from a different state and almost certain to be found unconstitutional Bjorn Against Sep 2012 #59
Keep digging. Clames Sep 2012 #62
Well if you want to say gang membership is illegal based on two exceptions to the rule Bjorn Against Sep 2012 #63
Another false assumption. Clames Sep 2012 #64
Now THAT is an excellent question sarisataka Sep 2012 #24
According to Mn law: no Oneka Sep 2012 #27
Blood in-Blood out. you can't even join a real gang without committing a felony. bad sofa king Sep 2012 #39
Example of what? BigAlanMac Sep 2012 #17
Lots of training? Glaug-Eldare Sep 2012 #30
That search is a good start, but requires lots of weeding. ManiacJoe Sep 2012 #29
And how do we determine who is a good guy and who is a bad guy? Bjorn Against Sep 2012 #32
If the shooter runs instead of gejohnston Sep 2012 #33
Touche' n/t DWC Sep 2012 #34
Good guys obey the law. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #35
It may be simple if you view the world in black and white, I see lots of grey Bjorn Against Sep 2012 #36
Nirvana Fallacy: The system doesn't have to be perfect to be functional and provide a benefit. nt rDigital Sep 2012 #38
How does that have anything to do with what I said? Bjorn Against Sep 2012 #40
The system works, your implying that it doesn't because it isn't perfect. nt rDigital Sep 2012 #41
Can you please quote where I said anything even remotely like that? Bjorn Against Sep 2012 #42
Yes there is gray, but not nearly as much of it has you imply. ManiacJoe Sep 2012 #47
Let me make it real easy for you. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #50
Fortunately, lawful concealed carry proponents have better aim than you do in search terms. AtheistCrusader Sep 2012 #61
Ususally when you're being mugged, there aren't any innocent bystanders inncocently standing by bad sofa king Sep 2012 #37
Excellent point, and a strong argument against the TPaine7 Sep 2012 #46
when you have been in one of these situations bad sofa king Sep 2012 #51
You Hit the Nail on the Head !!! DWC Sep 2012 #52
IIRC - It was in 2004 that a study published BigAlanMac Sep 2012 #55
IMO, there are virtually NO examples because DWC Sep 2012 #56
When your cause is just you cannot allow yourself to be constrained by empirical evidence 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #57
Ban guns. Only murderers have guns. Ban them ALL! rDigital Sep 2012 #65
Ban all murders? Ban all gun? or both? n/t DWC Sep 2012 #66
Well if we ban murder then it won't happen anymore. Let's ban both. nt rDigital Sep 2012 #67
Let's Ban Murder and Violent Attacks However Committed. DWC Sep 2012 #68
Amen rDigital Sep 2012 #69
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