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ellisonz

(27,709 posts)
41. Then stop your act and listen to these ones. Do something for them...
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 03:16 AM
Jan 2012

...rather than yourself. Is it really too much to reconsider your beliefs in light of this tragedy and the many like it?

"To denounce moralizing out of hand is to pronounce a moral judgment." - H.L. Mencken

Even H.L. Mencken thinks such a proposition that moralizing is "so much Lovejoyism and moral posturing" is not respectable.

Also, I would ask you to kindly refrain from such comparisons unless you would me to make them in kind.

You'd think we'd have all sorts of new laws by now.... ileus Jan 2012 #1
Loughner was never declared mentally unfit Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2012 #2
"make sure people like Loughner are not left unreported, untreated and/or free to roam." ellisonz Jan 2012 #3
They may be of that opinion, but they're wrong. Loughner went through the NICS to get his guns. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #6
Do you think NICS is effective if it doesn't stop someone like Loughner? n/t ellisonz Jan 2012 #15
Nope. LAGC Jan 2012 #18
The NICS is certainly effective. TheWraith Jan 2012 #118
Dude couldn't get into the military... ellisonz Jan 2012 #155
Different standards for different things We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #160
No system is going to stop everyone. Atypical Liberal Jan 2012 #162
HIPPA Medical Privacy and 4 th Amendment. E6-B Jan 2012 #177
That probably is their opinion gejohnston Jan 2012 #7
Why do you think it's not based in logic or reason? ellisonz Jan 2012 #14
the law did not prevent it gejohnston Jan 2012 #27
Face facts, it wouldn't. PavePusher Jan 2012 #10
You think they don't know that? ellisonz Jan 2012 #13
Gosh, you do know how to miss a point. PavePusher Jan 2012 #16
Your snark aside... ellisonz Jan 2012 #22
No, because a "police interview" is not a judicial or medical decision. PavePusher Jan 2012 #30
He supports the Patriot Act, too. X_Digger Jan 2012 #32
And you oppose the types of firearms regulations... ellisonz Jan 2012 #35
I'll listen to the pleadings of victims, up to a point. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #39
Then stop your act and listen to these ones. Do something for them... ellisonz Jan 2012 #41
Why don't *you* listen to the father of one of the victims, John Green? friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #45
That's from 2 days after the shooting. He practically breaks down crying on the phone ellisonz Jan 2012 #46
So some special pleading is more relevant than other special pleading? friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #56
***and crickets *** Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #63
***really*** ellisonz Jan 2012 #75
If you can't see how that's different... ellisonz Jan 2012 #76
I refer you to the video linked to in post #68 friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #78
Whatever you say dude... ellisonz Jan 2012 #81
Work that genetic fallacy. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #84
John Green seems a decent sort: friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #83
Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #52
You picked the wrong batch of victims, for the legislation you referred to. AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #115
"and approve of armed protection for officials but not for Citizens." ellisonz Jan 2012 #37
" If you wish to claim, I approve of a so-called "police state" then you clearly approve of... PavePusher Jan 2012 #58
I guess the USA Today editorial board is shameful too... ellisonz Jan 2012 #79
Yep, they are flaming idiots off on the wrong trail. PavePusher Jan 2012 #103
Well, they at least made an error. AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #114
Defining "high capacity" as "anything over 10 rounds" is very intentionally misleading. benEzra Jan 2012 #121
10 round limit and Gabby is still shot in the head with 1st shot E6-B Jan 2012 #179
10 round limit and Gabby is still shot in the head with 1st shot E6-B Jan 2012 #180
This message was self-deleted by its author Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #61
The flaw in the system one-eyed fat man Jan 2012 #23
I've said before and I'll say it again... ellisonz Jan 2012 #25
So police have medical training and can diagnose mental illness? hack89 Jan 2012 #26
Obviously, some training would need to be done... ellisonz Jan 2012 #29
And how would you "train away" malfeasance and misfeasance? friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #33
Better than the anarchy we have now... ellisonz Jan 2012 #34
You refuse to look at evidence offered, but claim I "have no reasonable objection" friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #36
Fear-mongering. And yes, we know you don't care about "the children" ellisonz Jan 2012 #40
"Is it any wonder that Chicago attempts desperate measures when all allowed else fails?" friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #44
Chicago is not an island. ellisonz Jan 2012 #47
Looks like Chicago should have adopted Texas-style gun control years ago friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #55
Neither is El Paso, TX GreenStormCloud Jan 2012 #73
So you won't hold his momma responsible? one-eyed fat man Jan 2012 #49
How does one "hold his momma responsible?" ellisonz Jan 2012 #53
You keep saying the "system" failed. one-eyed fat man Jan 2012 #66
So the parents should face criminal charges? ellisonz Jan 2012 #88
That's interesting one-eyed fat man Jan 2012 #101
The second paragraph is the key question to control oriented people DonP Jan 2012 #123
He was living under their roof. AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #112
He was a recluse. ellisonz Jan 2012 #138
We shall see. AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #141
"Recluse my ass." ellisonz Jan 2012 #143
I do have experience with the mentally ill. AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #144
And our gun control system failed to stop him... ellisonz Jan 2012 #147
The parents are the reason Loughner wasn't denied the purchase of a firearm. AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #148
I also find it highly interesting that you seem totally unaware that AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #146
Petard, own, hoisted with, one each. n/t PavePusher Jan 2012 #127
Gibberish. n/t ellisonz Jan 2012 #140
Klebold and Harris as well. AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #113
I guarantee that gun-control advocates wouldn't be satisfied with that. benEzra Jan 2012 #122
Yup -- the slippery slope is very real. Straw Man Jan 2012 #156
"I don't like your attitude, boy -- no gun for you!" ellisonz Jan 2012 #192
I'm sorry -- what's your question? Straw Man Jan 2012 #200
Where have I demonized you? ellisonz Jan 2012 #182
Here's how the gun control lobby likes to portray people like me, benEzra Jan 2012 #186
Do you think it should be easy to get a CCW? ellisonz Jan 2012 #191
Yes, no, and yes. benEzra Jan 2012 #193
"Your choices obviously differ from mine, and I respect them." ellisonz Jan 2012 #194
statistically gejohnston Jan 2012 #195
Here just to prove you wrong one-eyed fat man Jan 2012 #203
It may surprise you to learn this... We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #204
Yeah...shit kinda fell apart in the 60s and 70s... ellisonz Jan 2012 #207
Spoken truly like someone who obviously knows nothing about the time n/t We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #209
It is lower because...... E6-B Jan 2012 #181
Problem with your reasoning, here... SteveW Jan 2012 #128
Should they carry guns? I would. Atypical Liberal Jan 2012 #163
You mean Loughner the Democrat volunteer for Gabrensky? oneshooter Jan 2012 #90
Run his parents into jail as an example for others. AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #116
This message was self-deleted by its author friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #4
This bill would be... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 #5
Have YOU read this bill? X_Digger Jan 2012 #8
"...as the Attorney General may require..." Pheww. There goes the 5th. As usual. nt SteveW Jan 2012 #129
I don't want to divert your thread iverglas Jan 2012 #9
I've no doubt of Prof. Nowak's sincerity, but his proposals will fare as well as... friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #12
maybe you need to actually read iverglas Jan 2012 #17
I think you mangled something there, Rocketfingers. petronius Jan 2012 #20
overlooking that, I appreciated the info and the links Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #31
wowsers iverglas Jan 2012 #60
Yeah, whatever happened to "dog food?" nt SteveW Jan 2012 #130
More a cynicism about how the world actually works. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #21
Better cynicism than irrationality... ellisonz Jan 2012 #24
After a quick read of Bill S 436... spin Jan 2012 #11
How would this new bill have stopped loughner, he went thru the background checks. rl6214 Jan 2012 #19
BRAVO fightthegoodfightnow Jan 2012 #28
the good, the bad, and the ugly aikoaiko Jan 2012 #38
You think this should be... ellisonz Jan 2012 #42
You may not realize this but all laws are political negotiations. aikoaiko Jan 2012 #43
I don't see how you view this as a "loss of liberty" for gun-owners. ellisonz Jan 2012 #48
and you are not? gejohnston Jan 2012 #51
Yeah, I wouldn't answer that question either... ellisonz Jan 2012 #54
Nice dodge of the question. ManiacJoe Jan 2012 #57
See above. The question was... ellisonz Jan 2012 #85
Actually gejohnston Jan 2012 #65
Only cares about money? A LOT of NRA backed legislation was passed last year. GreenStormCloud Jan 2012 #71
Yeah effective for the most extreme views of gun owners... ellisonz Jan 2012 #82
Yes. Your side is losing, My side is winning. N/T GreenStormCloud Jan 2012 #104
Good thing your side is majority Republican. n/t ellisonz Jan 2012 #133
No, that part is sad. GreenStormCloud Jan 2012 #153
This is the old "both sides do it" BS. DanTex Jan 2012 #59
Oh really? beevul Jan 2012 #67
LOL! You couldn't even make it through the first example without fabricating a quote! DanTex Jan 2012 #119
"not suited for hunting or personal protection" gejohnston Jan 2012 #125
Explain how it would be any different. beevul Jan 2012 #149
Actually, he was specifically talking about a Glock with a 30-round magazine. DanTex Jan 2012 #152
More obfuscation. beevul Jan 2012 #154
more Paul Helmke lies gejohnston Jan 2012 #92
when was this and how did he come to that number? gejohnston Jan 2012 #93
That's it? Whining because the data is a few years old? DanTex Jan 2012 #120
it is still dishonest gejohnston Jan 2012 #124
Suicides are 'gun violence'? Who knew! Are suicides by hanging 'rope violence'? AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #110
Your failure to recognize the loss of liberty in most gun control laws is why you've been failing. aikoaiko Jan 2012 #62
What about the loss of liberties of the victims? ellisonz Jan 2012 #77
Yeah, those evil gunmakers undermined it by obeying it... friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #80
I'll explain it to you. aikoaiko Jan 2012 #86
You're against the full auto ban... ellisonz Jan 2012 #87
And the "need" canard pops up again... friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #89
Just enables you to fire from the hip... ellisonz Jan 2012 #91
Thank you, you've confirmed your ignorance of ergonomics. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #94
You can find dozens of youtube videos of people firing quite easily... ellisonz Jan 2012 #136
You can do it.... PavePusher Jan 2012 #142
"After concealment"? Do people often conceal rifles in your area? friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #145
Oh for fuck's sake We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #157
Now your ignorance is showing. ManiacJoe Jan 2012 #95
Don't mean to freak you out, but new short barreled shotguns are already legal. aikoaiko Jan 2012 #98
Why shouldn't they? Why shouldn't I be able to own something just because Pacafishmate Jan 2012 #99
Wrong as usual. AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #108
I have no desire to fire a gun. ellisonz Jan 2012 #134
Show me one of them HITTING something. AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #135
When you're firing into a crowd... ellisonz Jan 2012 #137
Which of course, assumes a fully automatic weapon. AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #139
Learn everything you know about guns from "A-Team" reruns? one-eyed fat man Jan 2012 #205
Oddly enough, a traditional stock is better suited for hip firing... beevul Jan 2012 #151
Let me get this straight.... We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #158
Well then I expect to hear from you... ellisonz Jan 2012 #164
You can expect whatever you want. We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #165
Then you should run for Senate... ellisonz Jan 2012 #167
Why? We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #171
what about the Republicans that voted for it gejohnston Jan 2012 #166
The Dems probably wanted a better written bill... ellisonz Jan 2012 #168
there was no slithering gejohnston Jan 2012 #170
Slithering around it? We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #172
"selling you shit you don't need".... PavePusher Jan 2012 #188
"shoulder thing that goes up" - That is the general level of knowledge.... PavePusher Jan 2012 #187
If you shot from the hip you would know..... E6-B Jan 2012 #185
More corrections about "firing from the hip," including guns... SteveW Jan 2012 #131
Totally Wrong DragonBorn Jan 2012 #159
The issue is concealment. n/t ellisonz Jan 2012 #169
Concealment? OF a RIFLE? We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #173
It's called a trench coat. Willful denial on your part...just admit - it's shortened in many models. ellisonz Jan 2012 #174
however gejohnston Jan 2012 #175
I'm aware of a trench coat We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #202
You keep responding... ellisonz Jan 2012 #206
I respond in the hopes... We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #210
That post is funny E6-B Jan 2012 #201
+1 Simo 1939_1940 Jan 2012 #212
Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #189
When I read this "firing from the hip" nonsense Simo 1939_1940 Jan 2012 #176
This is why you and those like you have been failing lately. aikoaiko Jan 2012 #96
They really don't mean "compromise" do they? DonP Jan 2012 #100
"They think they are on the moral high ground and see Simo 1939_1940 Jan 2012 #213
ummmmm gejohnston Jan 2012 #97
Pistol grips provide a more ergonomic grip, and thus better control and safety. PavePusher Jan 2012 #102
The U.S. does not have a Department of Needs. GreenStormCloud Jan 2012 #105
If you could care less, that means you care a lot. AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #109
AWB is a solution to non-existent problem, like bayonet attacks. E6-B Jan 2012 #178
When you spout off nonsense calling for a safety feature to be banned, you are not protecting the ri AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #111
He says that he has never fired a firearm, and dosen't want to. oneshooter Jan 2012 #150
What you call sell out I call a good job done. E6-B Jan 2012 #183
Someone has to pay Wayne LaPierre's $900,000 dollar salary... ellisonz Jan 2012 #196
That's less than $0.25 per NRA member. Paul Helmke costs about $5 per BC member.... friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #197
Million Dollar Man... ellisonz Jan 2012 #198
I don't know, ask an NRA member. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #199
So what? We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #211
MAG is a lazy organization.. pipoman Jan 2012 #50
do you mean MAIG? Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #64
No, I really mean MAG.. pipoman Jan 2012 #69
aha. got it. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #70
To be more pipoman Jan 2012 #74
I prefer IMAG given the number of them under indictment or in jail. AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #107
I like it.. pipoman Jan 2012 #117
Or simply MG. As in Mayor's Guns. nt SteveW Jan 2012 #132
Luby's mass shooting survivor aids pro-gun rights. GreenStormCloud Jan 2012 #68
Shame on you! Don't you know that's the *wrong* kind of victim testimony? friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #72
This bill would have done nothing for the people in Tuscon. AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #106
The problem with this approach: SteveW Jan 2012 #126
I do not support this bill because it destroys firearm ownership anonymity. Atypical Liberal Jan 2012 #161
When ever I see crap like this, I buy another gun. E6-B Jan 2012 #184
"I got food poisoning from spinach, so I want to ban apples." PavePusher Jan 2012 #190
Oh so wiser one than so many others... ellisonz Jan 2012 #208
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